Orang berusaha itu tentunya untuk mencari untung. Bagi dia orang lain kagak boleh untung. Jadinya maunya dia ongkang-ongkang kaki doang tanpa bekerja, tapi tetap harus selalu ada yang nyuapin makanan ke mulutnya. Wah, siapa yang mau jadi budaknya?
--- In [email protected], "johny_indon" <johny_indon@...> wrote: > > > > maklumlah ted, orang ngga sekolah ya gitu deh komentarnya. > asal njeplak aja. > dia sekarang hidup melarat bukannya introspeksi, tapi maunya nyalahin orang > lain. > semua orang yg menurut dia kaya dibilang bajingan. > padahal dia sendiri kutu busuk, benalu kehidupan, maunya kaya tanpa kerja. > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > Kalau tidak kalah, pastilah menang. > > Orang yang main saham sudah tahu pasti risikonya.Kalau tidak mau rugi > > jangan main saham karena tidak ada yang memaksa. Jadi pernyataan lu tentang > > Warren Buffet benar-benar menggelikan. Rupanya ada Don Quixote di dunia > > nyata. Ha ha ha!!! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > Kalo orang beli mobil mewah padahal ada banyak orang kelaparan, orang itu > > > adalah bajingan, ga peduli dr mana duitnya. > > > > > > Emangnya, gimana orang bisa kaya kalo bukannya dgn memangsa orang lain? > > > > > > > > > Apa misalnya si Eka Tjipta Wijaya itu kaya bukannya dgn ngerusak alam > > > lewat perkebunan kelapa sawit dan pabrik kertas? Apa si Warren Buffet > > > bukannya kaya krn dpt untung di pasar saham di mana orang lain rugi? Apa > > > keluarga Walton pemilik Walmart bukannya kaya antara lain krn buruh di > > > negara berkembang kerja dgn upah minim sementara Walmart bisa untung gede? > > > > > > Jadi orang kaya yg ga peduli dgn orang lain itu adalah bajingan, ga > > > peduli apakah hartanya "halal" apa kagak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > From: widura <a.widura@> > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:43 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat > > > >"item abu"... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Betul, hak. Berhak beli, berhak juga berkomentar. Sepanjang orang yg > > > >beli mobil/barang mewah dari hasil kerja kerasnya yg benar, itu bukan > > > >bajingan, tetapi menikmati hasil kerjanya. Katakanlah barang mewah > > > >sebagai stymulus yg memotivasi orang utk lebih giat bekerja supaya bisa > > > >memilikinya atau untuk "naik kelas". Apalagi hak kepemilikannya ini juga > > > >sudah dikenakan pajak yg sangat besar. Kurang valid kalo memvonis orang > > > >beli mobil mewah langsung si cap bajingan. Banyak faktor yg mesti > > > >dilihat lagi untuk sampai memvonis bajingan. Seperti pejabat publik > > > >misalnya, ini perlu di selidiki sumber dana yg dipakai utk beli mobil > > > >mewah. > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: item abu <itemabu@> > > > >Sender: [email protected] > > > >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:47:24 > > > >To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat > > > >"item abu"... > > > > > > > >Silakan aja orang mau pake duitnya buat beli barang mewah apapun jg, itu > > > >sih hak mereka. > > > > > > > >Cuma aja, hehehe... orang lain jg berhak unt bilang orang2 itu adalah > > > >bajingan borjuis yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>________________________________ > > > >> From: widura <a.widura@> > > > >>To: [email protected] > > > >>Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:14 AM > > > >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat > > > >>"item abu"... > > > >> > > > >>Sebenarnya kalau prosesnya benar keberadaan mobil mewah tidak jadi > > > >>masalah karena struktur cost yg dibayar pemiliknya boleh dibilang besar > > > >>di pajak barang mewahnya dan biaya2 lainnya yg dibayar ke kas negara. > > > >>Dari pajak inilah yg mestinya digunakan utk redistribusi pendapatan > > > >>agar ada manfaatnya utk masyarakat lain yg kekurangan dan atau belum > > > >>mampu beli mobil/barang mewah. Relatif sedikit orang yg memiliki > > > >>kemampuan beli mobil mewah. Kalau ada pejabat publik yg bisa beli mobil > > > >>mewah, tinggal minta pembuktiannya sumber dana yg digunakannya itu. Ini > > > >>ada yg bertugas untuk memeriksanya, cuma ngga tau berfungsi apa tidak > > > >>satuan tugas ini. Belum lagi masalah kontrol pendapatan dan penggunaan > > > >>pajak negara, informasi inilah yg mesti di buat setransparan mungkin ke > > > >>publik sebagai salah satu alat kontrol. > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > >>From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > >>Sender: [email protected] > > > >>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:23:27 > > > >>To: <[email protected]> > > > >>Reply-To: [email protected] > > > >>Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item > > > >>abu"... > > > >> > > > >>Saya jadi teringat komentar salah seorang Islam di mailing list ini > > > >>dulu: > > > >> > > > >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/116859 > > > >> > > > >>Saya kutip: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>"lu dan ade manusia guoblok > > > >>yang cuma bisa nulis raja arab pakansi, gak mutu > > > >>lu orangnya sirik, irihati > > > >>lha orang2 yang punya toko kesenengan > > > >>elu ama ade kok susah lihat orang seneng dasar manusia berhati busuk > > > >>dan jahat, culas, seneng kalo lihat orang menderita lu baru seneng > > > >> > > > >>lha duit2 orang mau dipake pakansi kek, > > > >>itu kan hak asazi orang, nggak ada yang bisa larang > > > >>emangngya salah apa sih orang pakansi, shopping > > > >>emangnya peke duit lu > > > >>kampungan lu" > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Tentunya si raja Saudi ini akan kaing2 "itu duit ane sendiri, kenapa > > > >>> ane ga boleh make". Si Teddy, johny_indon dan anggota DPR jg kaing2 > > > >>> yg sama, bukan? > > > >>> > > > >>> Jadi si Teddy dan johny_indon itu boleh bangga krn satu kelompok dgn > > > >>> raja Saudi dan anggota DPR yg "terhormat". > > > >>> > > > >>> (Kalo gua sih malu, makanya waktu ada anggota DPR tinggal di depan > > > >>> gua, gua ga pernah datang ke rumahnya biarpun diundang). > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >________________________________ > > > >>> > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > >>> >To: [email protected] > > > >>> >Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:59 PM > > > >>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat > > > >>> >"item abu"... > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> >à> > > >>> >Satu lagi: > > > >>> > > > > >>> >http://www.islamawareness.net/MiddleEast/Saudi/extravagance1.html > > > >>> >Saudi king and royal extravagance > > > >>> > > > > >>> >2002-09-04 09:27:23 > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Inter Press Service > > > >>> > > > > >>> >4 September 2002 > > > >>> > > > > >>> >http://ummahnews.com/viewarticle.php?sid=4190 > > > >>> > > > > >>> >The extravagant vacations of Saudi King Fahd and his > > > >>> > > > > >>> >royal retinue in Spain are disproportionate for a > > > >>> > > > > >>> >country that has political and social problems, > > > >>> > > > > >>> >despite its oil wealth. The 81-year-old king of Saudi > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Arabia, Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al- Saud, accompanied by > > > >>> > > > > >>> >nearly all of his children and family members and an > > > >>> > > > > >>> >entourage of more than 3,000, has been vacationing on > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Spain's Costa del Sol since Aug. 14. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >In the posh Mediterranean resort town of Marbella, 450 > > > >>> > > > > >>> >kms southeast of Madrid, he stays in his palace, a > > > >>> > > > > >>> >replica of the White House named "Mar Mar". Just the > > > >>> > > > > >>> >preparations of the palace for his visit ran to $185 > > > >>> > > > > >>> >million. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Luxury villas and 300 rooms in five-star hotels were > > > >>> > > > > >>> >rented for the rest of the royal family in and around > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Marbella. Chic restaurants and jewelry shops have > > > >>> > > > > >>> >cheerfully prepared for the Saudi visitors, who spent > > > >>> > > > > >>> >$90 million on their last stay, in 1999. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >On this year's visit, which is to be one month longer > > > >>> > > > > >>> >than the last one, they are expected to spend as much > > > >>> > > > > >>> >as $300 million. Although a boon for Spain's tourist > > > >>> > > > > >>> >industry, that sum indicates the Saudi leaders' lack > > > >>> > > > > >>> >of concern for their own people. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Emma Bonino, an Italian member of the European > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Parliament, said the royal family has more than $600 > > > >>> > > > > >>> >billion in funds abroad, and is "more interested in > > > >>> > > > > >>> >investing them on the international markets than at > > > >>> > > > > >>> >home." > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Saudi Arabia ranked 71st out of 173 nations on the > > > >>> > > > > >>> >United Nations Development Program's (UNDP) latest > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Human Development Index, which measures factors like > > > >>> > > > > >>> >life expectancy, school enrollment, and distribution > > > >>> > > > > >>> >of wealth. Ahead of Saudi Arabia are nations like > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Thailand, Venezuela, Colombia and Slovenia. Per capita > > > >>> > > > > >>> >income in Saudi Arabia plunged from $35,000 to $7,000 > > > >>> > > > > >>> >in just 20 years, while the country's Gross National > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Product grew just one percent a year on average during > > > >>> > > > > >>> >the same period, and its 3.8 percent demographic > > > >>> > > > > >>> >growth rate is one of the highest in the world. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Meanwhile, discriminatory policies remain in place, > > > >>> > > > > >>> >such as those that keep the princes and their families > > > >>> > > > > >>> >separate from the rest of the population, and > > > >>> > > > > >>> >especially from the immigrants, who keep the economy > > > >>> > > > > >>> >running, not to mention the discrimination against > > > >>> > > > > >>> >women. Evidence of that was experienced by Bonino > > > >>> > > > > >>> >herself when she visited Saudi Arabia as part of a > > > >>> > > > > >>> >delegation sent by the European Parliament's > > > >>> > > > > >>> >commission of foreign affairs. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >When they were received by the chair of the Saudi > > > >>> > > > > >>> >parliament, Salih bin Abdullah bin Humaid, the women > > > >>> > > > > >>> >deputies were "denied the honor of a handshake or > > > >>> > > > > >>> >eye-to-eye contact," said Bonino, while explanations > > > >>> > > > > >>> >that Islam considers women to be different from men > > > >>> > > > > >>> >were addressed to the male deputy guests. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Several Spanish media outlets reported that a British > > > >>> > > > > >>> >agency has provided a large group of women to > > > >>> > > > > >>> >accompany the Saudi men during their vacations in > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Spain, on two conditions: the women must be young and > > > >>> > > > > >>> >blonde, and must be replaced every 15 days. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Although prostitution is legal in Spain, procuring is > > > >>> > > > > >>> >punishable by law. Nevertheless, no authority or > > > >>> > > > > >>> >organization has moved against the British agency, > > > >>> > > > > >>> >even though the contract was made public. Nor has the > > > >>> > > > > >>> >illegal hiring of around 50 active-service police > > > >>> > > > > >>> >officers to moonshine as bodyguards for the Saudi > > > >>> > > > > >>> >king, princes and princesses been questioned. The > > > >>> > > > > >>> >arrangement has been reported by several media > > > >>> > > > > >>> >outlets, with no reaction from the government. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >On the contrary, King Fahd has been given a royal > > > >>> > > > > >>> >welcome, and was visited in Mar Mar by King Juan > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Carlos, although according to protocol, the Spanish > > > >>> > > > > >>> >sovereign should have received the visiting monarch. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Fahd will also receive visits from Spanish Prime > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Minister Jose Maria Aznar and U.S. Secretary of State > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Colin Powell. The Saudi monarch and Powell are > > > >>> > > > > >>> >expected to discuss present or future U.S. actions > > > >>> > > > > >>> >against Iraq, a touchy subject on which the two > > > >>> > > > > >>> >countries are publicly divided. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Another question that may be addressed is a lawsuit > > > >>> > > > > >>> >that a group of Saudis are preparing against the U.S. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >government and several media outlets for > > > >>> > > > > >>> >"pyschological and economic damages" suffered since > > > >>> > > > > >>> >the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Washington. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >The lawsuit was announced Aug. 21 in Washington by > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Saudi lawyer Katih al Shamri. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >The dispute over the succession to the Saudi throne > > > >>> > > > > >>> >further compounds Saudi Arabia's social problems and > > > >>> > > > > >>> >the difficulties arising from the conflict in the > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Middle East and the "war on terrorism" declared by > > > >>> > > > > >>> >President George W. Bush, whose government is getting > > > >>> > > > > >>> >ready to target Iraq. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Saudi Arabia is important to the United States, as it > > > >>> > > > > >>> >accounts for 25 percent of the world's oil reserves, > > > >>> > > > > >>> >and 10 percent of global oil production. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > >>> >wrote: > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Ini satu lagi kemewahan yang menjijikkan... > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> http://www.sundream-estate.com/new-36-marbella-remember-king-fahd..html > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Marbella Remember King Fahd. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Marbella Remember King Fahd. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Fahd bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud. 1923 ââ¬" August 1, 2005. He was > > > >>> >> the king and prime minister of Saudi Arabia and leader of the > > > >>> >> House of Saud. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Everyone has a favourite Fahd story. Mine was that day he cast a > > > >>> >> glance eye over Marbella's Hotel Don Pepe. He sent a secretary to > > > >>> >> enquire how much would the owners want for the hotel. The > > > >>> >> answerable was politely told the hotel was not for sale. The > > > >>> >> secretary replied: "Everyone has a price when in comes to the > > > >>> >> king". But not that time. It was one of the very few occasions > > > >>> >> that Fahd was rejected. But his love affair with Marbella was not > > > >>> >> dimmed. He told a local journalist that he liked the town "because > > > >>> >> it is part of a land blessed by Allah", referring to the time when > > > >>> >> the area had been occupied by the Arabs from the 8th to the 13th > > > >>> >> century. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> King Fahd's Palace. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> From the hotel Incosol just outside Marbella, Fahd directed the > > > >>> >> construction of his Marbella property, Mar Mar Palace, modelled on > > > >>> >> the White House. And his retinue of 3.000 courtiers spent like > > > >>> >> money was about to go out of fashion. Krug and caviar become the > > > >>> >> order of the day on the Golden Mile. A local newspaper calculated > > > >>> >> that a Fahd summer visit saw the profits at Puerto Banus rise by > > > >>> >> 35.000 Euros a day. Tales of excess and extravagance, of sex and > > > >>> >> shopping sprees, filled the pages of the world's tabloid press. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Fahd becomes known as the king of Bling, the Sultan of Splendour. > > > >>> >> His personal wealth was estimated at Euro 25 billion. "He earned > > > >>> >> more in a minute that eny monarch in history did in a year", > > > >>> >> observed a suitably impressed writer for the Financial Times. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Ibn Saud's favourite son. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> He arrived at Malaga International Airport in his own customised > > > >>> >> Boing-747. Its fittings included a solid gold toilet, gold cutlery > > > >>> >> and plates, and a gold throne. But Fahd often preferred to squat > > > >>> >> on the floor; perhaps it was a reminder that his father, Ibn Saud, > > > >>> >> had been an uneducated desert Bedouin. Recognised as the country's > > > >>> >> first monarch of a new kingdom, Ibn Saud fathered a dynasty of 46 > > > >>> >> sons by numerous wives. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Fahd, was Ibn Saud favourite son, spent his youth in Paris and at > > > >>> >> the casino in Monte Carlo. I once watched him spend five million > > > >>> >> francs on the throw of a dice. Next night, he turned up with his > > > >>> >> latest toy; a customised pen that could sign a cheque in gold ink. > > > >>> >> He also had the casino fountain gush only Cristal champagne while > > > >>> >> he was at the table. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Marbella Official Mourning. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> All this ââ¬" and more ââ¬" made him a fawned upon favourite > > > >>> >> at the Hotel Incosol. Staff marvelled at the way Fahd could smoke > > > >>> >> two cigarettes at one time; he would have an ashtray on either > > > >>> >> side of his chair. No one at the hotel knows how many wives he > > > >>> >> brought. More certain, he was one of the first kings to parade his > > > >>> >> mistresses in public. When he died August 2005, the sense of loss > > > >>> >> in Marbella was marked by the town major, Marisol Yague, declaring > > > >>> >> three days of official mourning and the town hall rushed through a > > > >>> >> decree that the late king was an adopted son of the municipality. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> In the hotel Incosol, and the other grand hotels of the coast, no > > > >>> >> longer would flunkeys murmur the most potent words in the Spanish > > > >>> >> language; "el rey pagar'a" (the king will pay). No longer would > > > >>> >> Antonia Molina, the owner of Marbella's finest jewellers, Gomez & > > > >>> >> Molina, prepare herself to spend up to a day showing Fahd her > > > >>> >> latest collections of precious stones. No longer would the staff > > > >>> >> of Marbella Casino receive a signed blank cheque for the Saudi > > > >>> >> princes to gamble the night away. And no longer would the staff at > > > >>> >> the hotel Incosol receive the king of tips Fahd once gave them; > > > >>> >> 300.000 Euro ââ¬" enough for the entire staff to receive an > > > >>> >> extra year's salary. Puerto Banus will miss one of the large > > > >>> >> tourist attractions when King Fahd's huge yacht ââ¬"Shaf, is > > > >>> >> mooring in the harbour. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> The Last Arab Monarch? > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Now in only King Fahd had tried out some of the spa treatments at > > > >>> >> Hotel Incosol, he might have still been able to enjoy his earlier > > > >>> >> lifestyle as the undisputed Big Spender of the Costa del Sol. Is > > > >>> >> he forever doomed to be remembered as the last of the old style > > > >>> >> Arab monarchs? Or is there among his many sons a potential > > > >>> >> successor? If so, the one certainty is he is unlikely to avail > > > >>> >> himself of the facilities at hotel Incosol. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> In these turbulent times for the House of Saud, its members know > > > >>> >> that any display of pampering will alienate the further from their > > > >>> >> own people ââ¬" bringing closer the day that Osama bin Laden has > > > >>> >> promised will see the end of the royal House of Saudi. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Monument after King Fahd > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Europa Point in Gibraltar has the largest mosque in a non-Islamic > > > >>> >> country. Like the mosque on Marbella's Golden Mile, it was paid > > > >>> >> for by King Fahd of Saudi Arabia and opened in 1997 as a focal > > > >>> >> point for Arabs travelling in southern Europe. > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > Mirip dgn kata si Oom Pasikom, orang2 Islam plus plus di milis > > > >>> >> > ini bilang "jangan sirik, apa salahnya jadi orang kaya > > > >>> >> > bermewah2, yg penting duit ane sendiri koq. Peduli amat dgn > > > >>> >> > orang lain". > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > >________________________________ > > > >>> >> > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > >>> >> > >To: [email protected] > > > >>> >> > >Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:16 PM > > > >>> >> > >Subject: [proletar] Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat > > > >>> >> > >"item abu"... > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > >Ãâà> > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > >Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item abu"... > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > >Karikatur ini juga jelas belum basi.. > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > >http://sosbud.kompasiana.com/2011/11/26/pakai-innova-anggota-dpr-takut-mati-ham-ala-pejabat-negara > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>------------------------------------ > > > >> > > > >>Post message: [email protected] > > > >>Subscribe : [email protected] > > > >>Unsubscribe : [email protected] > > > >>List owner : [email protected] > > > >>Homepage  : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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