On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:24 PM Julien Pivotto <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 26 May 21:16, Bartłomiej Płotka wrote: > > Hi > > > > On a separate note, while I believe in maintaining high project quality > for > > everything we ship, I think we should be way more open into the > > experimenting bit more in Prometheus. Having some experimental features > > under a flag is something that gives quicker feedback if the API, > feature, > > or given logic makes sense for a wider user base. For majority of cases > we > > always reject those because "it's support burden", "this does not help > much > > for Prometheus only Cortex/Thanos/XYZ", "this overlap with older, less > > efficient API", "we don't like those extra dependencies (e.g gRPC)", > > "people will not use it". This might be off-topic here, but I feel like > > this is another thing which could improve the velocity of Prometheus and > > usability of the project itself (: > > I agree with that statement. I think that we could and should not have > taboos; we should be able to rethink some decisions and not be afraid to > accept more new features. > > Maybe we should also be less concerned about pointing our users in the > "correct" direction and let them do more with their data. > Coming tomorrow to Prometheus: logs, tracing, deep analytics, and push ;) In seriousness though, I agree. Maybe not to go that far, but to be open and evolve a bit with the times. There is certainly value to Prometheus having a core scope and not growing into a solution that tries to be everything for everyone, but I also think we can still do more and still be Prometheus. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Bartek > > > > On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 20:53, Julien Pivotto <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > On 25 May 19:41, Richard Hartmann wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 7:08 PM Julius Volz <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I would also want to understand a bit more specifically how this > would > > > work in practice though. E.g. when there are three people arguing one > way > > > on an issue, and one person against, and all views have been > considered and > > > arguments are turning in circles, can the majority (with respect to > that > > > discussion) just go ahead and decide / merge things? I guess in the > worst > > > case, when someone feels unheard, they can still call for a team-wide > vote, > > > but the cost of calling for that vote would then be carried by the > > > minority, not the majority? So things would be more biased towards > action. > > > > > > > > That's one possible mode of operation, yes. > > > > > > > > Hopefully, there would be fewer lockups by shifting from default-deny > > > > to default-majority-ish. > > > > > > > > If it does not work out to our shared satisfaction, we can always > > > > refine the governance further, e.g. introduce a Chair system though, > > > > again, I would like to avoid that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Richard > > > > > > I would vote :+1: on changing to rough consensus. > > > > > > -- > > > Julien Pivotto > > > @roidelapluie > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Prometheus Developers" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > > email to [email protected]. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-developers/20200525195320.GA983523%40oxygen > > > . > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Prometheus Developers" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-developers/CAMssQwZ3apTKpmUGuTJRs0ipDF7TQcypPOiXh_uX9%2B%3D2zVrFqg%40mail.gmail.com > . > > -- > Julien Pivotto > @roidelapluie > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Prometheus Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-developers/CA%2BT6YozHcACUDAaZVCNyJKjuKq_n2y-Ez4c2prw0m8nxXNHwbA%40mail.gmail.com.
