Hey guys,

great to see there is already some effort to move the chart out of the 
stable repo :)

As i understand that "prometheus" is not the perfect fit for the chart 
name, as it also installs other components from the prometheus eco system, 
i'm also not the biggest fan of umbrella charts.
>From our experience at kiwigrid this can lead to updating issues.
For example you'd need to update proemtheus server but because of the 
umbrella it could alreadya fail and exit in the alertmanager update step.
Therefore we switched to single chart installs now as you're able to update 
single components, without the need to run the update for all charts under 
the umbrella, which is much more error resistent from our experience.

Nevertheless an umbrella chart might be good starting point for testing 
Prometheus with all of its available components.

Where i see problems is to deprecate the chart in stable and change the way 
the chart works in the new repo.
Maybe such changes should be done in an earlier step in the stable chart 
repo?
At least doumentation of the upgrade path should be clear and possible, 
without the need to have manual steps like pvc backup / restore because the 
name of the pvc changed.

Kind regards
André


Naseem Ullah schrieb am Montag, 15. Juni 2020 um 03:13:57 UTC+2:

> Yes a single repo called helm-charts to host all charts.
>
> Also, as per 
> https://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/overview/#architecture we should 
> have a prometheus-server chart that would be part of the umbrella 
> prometheus chart if we want to follow this pattern.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 12:32:26 PM UTC-4, Augustin Husson wrote:
>
>> Or just helm-chart with inside all chart relative to the prometheus tools 
>> like node-exporter, alertmanager ...etc.
>>
>> Le dim. 14 juin 2020 à 13:52, Mingchin Hsieh <zanh...@gmail.com> a 
>> écrit :
>>
> Hi Frederic,
>>>
>>> Yes. I think I would keep straightforward naming as 
>>> prometheus-helm-chart, i.e. 
>>>
>>> https://github.com/prometheus-community/prometheus-helm-chart
>>>
>>> If you guys have better idea on naming, please advice.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>> Ming 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 6:44:26 PM UTC+8, Frederic Branczyk wrote:
>>>
>> I personally think the amount of things happening in these charts is too 
>>>> big to represent "prometheus". Same goes for the prometheus-operator 
>>>> chart. 
>>>> Both of these cover a very large surface and as a result issues frequently 
>>>> get filed against the upstream projects confusing problems with the charts 
>>>> with the scope of the projects themselves.
>>>>
>>>> If a chart was in the community org then it should really only deploy 
>>>> and configure Prometheus in my opinion. Meta charts that configure 
>>>> multiple 
>>>> sub-charts would be ok, but under a different name (which is why we called 
>>>> the project that integrates the two worlds tightly with each other 
>>>> kube-prometheus <https://github.com/coreos/kube-prometheus>).
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 23:50, Mingchin Hsieh <zanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Hi guys, 
>>>>>
>>>>> I am one of Helm Prometheus chart maintainers:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/helm/charts/blob/master/stable/prometheus/Chart.yaml#L18
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope I could help to move Helm Prometheus chart for looking new 
>>>>> home. If after deprecation date, I will host it on my personal repo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Ming
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 11:38:58 AM UTC+8, Naseem Ullah wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As per the helm charts stable repo deprecation timeline 
>>>>>> <https://github.com/helm/charts#deprecation-timeline>, the various 
>>>>>> prometheus related helm charts such as prometheus 
>>>>>> <https://github.com/helm/charts/tree/master/stable/prometheus>,
>>>>>>  prometheus-operator 
>>>>>> <https://github.com/helm/charts/tree/master/stable/prometheus-operator>
>>>>>> , prometheus-adapter 
>>>>>> <https://github.com/helm/charts/tree/master/stable/prometheus-adapter>
>>>>>> , prometheus-node-exporter 
>>>>>> <https://github.com/helm/charts/tree/master/stable/prometheus-node-exporter>
>>>>>>  and 
>>>>>> the various other exporters will require a new home and none more 
>>>>>> fitting 
>>>>>> than https://github.com/prometheus-community.We have had successful 
>>>>>> migrations of the sort with other CNCF projects, namely Jaeger (
>>>>>> https://github.com/jaegertracing/helm-charts)  and Fluent Bit(
>>>>>> https://github.com/fluent/helm-charts).
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