Hi.

Thanks for the reply Brian.
So one should not alert on absence of a metric? Never ever? Just on the
upness of the targets?

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Federico Buti


On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 10:46, Brian Brazil <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 09:32, Federico Buti <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> A few months ago we introduced target down rules to keep track of targets
>> that were missing. The rules are relatively simple being something like e.g.
>>
>> alert: target_down_slower_scraping_jobs
>>   expr: up{job=~"monitoring-scripts-5m|monitoring-scripts-hourly"} == 0
>>   for: 13m
>>   labels:
>>     severity: average
>>   annotations:
>>   // annotations here
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>> A few days ago we wanted to introduce absence rules and we added them for
>> both targets and metrics. That is all ok but with a side effect that we
>> didn't consider, i.e. a metrics absent alert would of course spawn if the
>> corresponding target is down.
>>
>
> That doesn't sound right, make sure your absent rules were on "up".
>
> Brian
>
>
>> Looking into it I've found this blog post
>> <https://www.robustperception.io/absent-alerting-for-scraped-metrics> 
>> proposing
>> to use unless binary operator but I'm not sure I've understood the usage
>> and its implications.
>>
>> Unless returns the first metric unless we have some match for the second.
>> If I write something like
>>
>> expr: up{job="node"} == 1 unless absent(check_success{check="xxxxx",stack
>> ="yyy",environment="zzz"})
>>
>> I'm just going to return the upness if everything is fine with the node.
>> Isn't that wrong? I mean, that would result in an alert because the node is
>> up, which is not what we want. Even changing that to 0 would not solve the
>> problem since we would still return the absence. Maybe changing to zero and
>> inverting the two? But then wouldn't I have duplicated alerts for the
>> upness?
>>
>> Is there a way to make sure absent rules take in account targets down? Or
>> should I approach the issue in some other different ways which I'm not
>> considering now?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> F.
>>
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