Brian, I think what you said was very well thought out, and you do have a
lot of very valid points. Your last e-mail was quite harsh and almost taken
a bit rudely, but, having said that, I do see, in your defense, where you
were, and still are, going with this. That's not actually half a bad idea
to join a forum. I just wonder how well forums work with Voiceover. I know
this isn't the list for that so I'm not even gonna start on that topic,
don't fret, but we'll just have to see. Are there any particular ones you'd
suggest, or would it be more a matter of me just googling for one.
Either way, I'm willing, and have nothing to lose.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Casey" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Bad quality: I just don't get it!
Regardless, I think you need to stop asking every question that comes to
mind on this list, and save the PT and Voice Over specific ones ffor here,
because you are a beginner like many on this list, and there are plenty of
other sources online where you can ask those questions, research that
material etc rather than wasting the time of the experts on thie list, who
are often far too hepful for their own good.
Perhaps you should join an online home recording oriented forum or
something of the sort to give you another source of knowledge.
This list is an invaluable resource for experienced engineers making the
switch over to ProTools, so please try to keep the non protools related
questions to a minimum, so that when searching back through the archives
the list is not clogged with irrelevant information.
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Of course, we will all from time to time ask questions and make mistakes
which we think is a software problem and is in fact a lack of basic
technical knowledge or a slip up. For example, as Kevin said, your
understanding of recording something flat. Your mixers EQ can boost or cut
frequencies, when at twelve o'clock it is flat or neutral, meaning it is
ideally not effecting the signal at all. This is the norm for approaches
to digital recording as you record the cleanest and best signal possible
and later in the software you can make all the changes you want.
So you see, it sounds like you had a basic lack of understanding about
your mixer and what a basic EQ does rather than anything to do with
proTools, which is fine, but these are things we all have to learn on
triall and error.
If you keep asking basic recording questions, then people might start
ignoring your contributions on this list as many see it as a mis-use of
the list, so you'll hamper your own efforts in that way.
Its not easy having to learn these things differently to the average
engineer, but you can learn so much theory online and most of all, with
patience you can figure most of this stuff on your own the good old
fassioned way through triall and error. Nobody can learn t his for you and
you shouldn't need other people to be part of your triall and error
process 90% of the time.
I'll leave it at that as I'm not even a regular on this list and am simply
observing to learn for a future move over to ProTools.
Best of luck and I hope the learning goes well for you,
Be patient,
Regards,
Brian.
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:50 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Bad quality: I just don't get it!
Brian,
I have to completely disagree with you. I think this has all and
everything to do with PT. When I record in say, Sonar, my recordings are
not mainstream quality, no, but they're way cleaner. Maybe part of it is
I don't exactly know how to mix, but I think all of it plays hand in
hand. Fine, if you think, and I know you meant this in, and I quote:
good spirit... that this has not much to do with PT accessibility, then
let's dial it back home. As I said initially, what in PT could I do and
what with VO is the best way to do so, to fix this clipping issue/mud
issue? I'm sorry that you and others are so... good... and no everything.
I can't help I'm starting out. For me reading a manual, just doesn't
work! With my learning challengement, it makes things very difficult. I
don't very easily comprehend what I read. This is why I need someone
like you all who can make a few suggestions, let me try 'em, and see if
they make things better or worse, then plan accordingly for the next step
of action. I'm sorry I'm so stupid at all this stuff, but if I didn't
wanna learn I wouldn't be here.
Your suggestion to google was an excellent one, and believe me I have,
but I'm getting absolutely nowhere, either the articles are completely
irrellavant, or are thigns I already have tried taking into
consideration, or they're the obvious things more for a basic person who
just wants to say... voice chat with a 5 dollar pc mike and wonders why
they're getting clipping. Gee, $5! Hmm, I wonder! Point is, telling
peole to go google, or to RTFM, etc. though that might be a good idea
eventually, maybe not right at first when you're starting and need to
learn the fundimentals.
If you still disagree, then I'll respectfully leave you alone, and agree
to disagree, but maybe perhaps, someone should then make a list that
strictly doesn't cover software, but more hardware, and more the concepts
of audio production. Then everyone could join and post there, causing
more e-mail conjestion, rather than consolidating to one list, and people
like you who don't see the rellavance wouldn't have to worry about
getting bombarded as you seem to be remotely implying.
I'm a newby, so I'm gonna have a lot of questions, a lot of which may
have to do with how to set things up to work in PT correctly. if this
isn't the list for that just boot my butt off of here, tell me why you're
doing so, be polite about it, and I'll go my own merry way, and learn on
my own. I think people like Kevin etc. would agree however I'm doing
nothing wrong, and the only way to learn is to ask questions.
Sorry for the long mail, but I couldn't just let your comments go undelt
with.
I see your point, in your defense, but put youself in my shoes as a
complete newby. Wouldn't you want help rather than someone just saying
RTFM, go google. To me that's almost pushing me away from the list which
I feel is a priceless source for help when nothing else seems to make
sense.
Chris.
