I think what I meant was I didn't realize that you specified both. I didn't
realize that when on bars and beats you specified both. I thought it was an
absolute bar value. In other words, I thought that you only could say 3
bars. I didn't realize you could say 3 bars, 2 beats. Same goes with
hours, minutes, seconds. I was under the impression you only could specify
an exact value. I didn't realize it was flexible enough to say 1 minute 30
seconds. I thought you'd have to round the seconds up or down to the
nearest minute, and only could specify a min value, not a second value as
well. I thought it had to either be 1 minute, or 2 minutes, it couldn't be
1:30. So I was asking with that assumption, which now I know was incorrect,
what the different values would represent. Would it be an absolute minute,
or would I specify in seconds. Again, now I see it's both.
Frankly, your terse comments really are not amusing to me! I was really
trying to ask for help, and the whole quote: minutes and seconds are...
well? um... minutes and seconds, was extremely uncalled for! I was just
asking for help, you don't have to be such a smart-butt about it.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions
You lost me there. minutes represents minutes! Seconds represents, well,
seconds.
At 01:29 AM 5/2/2014, you wrote:
Shruggs,
That's not what I meant. I meant what does the numerical values
represent? In beats/bars it obviously represents bars. In hour minute
seconds, what is it representing?... Seconds? Minutes? or what?
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions
well, how long do you need to get ready to play?
If you want to convert between bars/beats and minutes/seconds, that
obviously depends on the tempo of your tune.
At 12:43 AM 5/2/2014, you wrote:
Slau,
So, you said with the pre-roll how many bars? How do I calculate if I'm
doing hours minutes seconds frames, instead of bars, beats, ticks?
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Slau Halatyn
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions
OK, since your keyboard is across the room, you're going to need enough
pre roll to be able to press record, walk over to your mic, put on
headphones and get ready to sing. How many bars do you think that'll be?
8? 10? Whatever you think it should be, type that number into the Pre
roll field. The Post roll value doesn't matter as much because who cares
how long the song continues playing after you've finished the record
pass. If the pre roll value is 0, you'll have no pre roll and you'll be
recording as soon as you press Command-space bar. The purpose of the pre
roll is to get a running start, figuratively and, in your case,
literally.
On May 1, 2014, at 11:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
So, I'm confused. What do the pre and post roll values do/indicate, if
not 0, how do I determine what they should be set to, or does it really
not honest matter. Just pick a random number so's long as it isn't 0.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Slau Halatyn
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions
Chris,
You specifically asked for step-by-step instructions and, when you
request something like that, it's going to sound complicated. It's not.
1. Select a range within which you wish to record.
2.Enable Pre/Post roll with Command-k and make sure that the pre and
post roll values in the Transport window are set to something other
than zero.
3. Record.
It's rather simple. Another alternative is to buy a USB extension cable
and keep your keyboard close. Punch in by simply pressing Command-Space
bar where you wish to record. Hit space bar to stop. You don't even
have to be in Pre/Post roll to do that.
Slau
On May 1, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Slau,
This isn't you at all, you did an excellent job explaining, but I must
admit, you went way over my head! I know you do audio stuff for a
living, so it's not gonna be quick, but I'm in no hurry. Would you be
willing to make me an audio demonstration of how this works? I'm
sorry, but via text, this just isn't making sense at all. It's not
your falt, It's just that it seems this is a very hard concept to
grasp via text.
I thought it would be more easy than this, like select the portion of
audio you want to record, then toggle on punch in, arm the track, hit
record, and you're done. It seem like there is way more to it than
that though.
Wasn't there something like, num pad 4, or was it 6 to turn on punch
in, or is this about the easiest way to do it.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Slau Halatyn
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: A few more advanced ProTools Questions
Chris,
Go to the Transport window.
Click once on the Pre-roll amount. Assuming you're in bars and beats,
type the number 1 and press return. The Pre-roll amount will be one
bar and Pre-roll will automatically be enabled. The button appears to
the left of the numeric field you just entered.
Move down to the Post-roll field and follow the same steps.
Now that Pre and Post roll are enabled, I'd recommend temporarily
turning them off with Command-k.
Go to the bar/beat where you wish to punch in. Select the range of
bars and/or beats you wish to record. Once you've made your selection,
press Command-k to enable Pre/Post roll. If you press record, you'll
hear one bar before your selected range as pre-roll and you'll only be
in record from the selection point. Pro Tools will record through the
selection and exit record mode for the final bar of post roll.
If you want two bars of pre-roll, obviously, substitute 2 for 1 when
typing in the pre-roll value.
Here's a tip: don't forget to turn off Pre/Post roll when you're done
with your punch-in. When you try to navigate and get to a particular
bar, I guarantee it'll confuse you when you hear the music from the
previous bar and you'll swear that you thought you meant to go to bar
41 and you'll be hearing bar 40 and all the while it'll be because you
actually are at bar 41 but pre-roll is causing you to hear bar 40
first.
I'll let someone else take the other questions.
Slau
On May 1, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
OK, I do understand that there are quite a few questions here, but
any help would be appreciated with any of these.
First of all, I'd like to talk about punch in/punch outs. Sometimes,
I'll be recording a vocal track, be it lead, or backing, and I may
hit a line a little flat, or a little sharp. More times than not,
flat. Sometimes, it's in a part of the song which makes it very
tricky to get kuh boom right on key with no lead-in warning. Yeah, I
totally get I could then just back up a ways and record a little more
than needed just for some wiggle room, but why do that if the part
right before sounds flawless? I don't want to chance ruinning a
perfectly good measure just to get the bar after it sounding good.
That just seems a little over kill. Yeah, I know about the playlist
option in the edit window on each track, and yes I know about
comping. I confess I don't do it much, but I think I'm gonna start
getting myself more in the habbit of it. If I want a pollished
recording, then face it, sometimes you have to do the more dirty
tedious work, but in the long run, it's well worth it. Anyway, so
what I'd like to do is a punch in/out. This is just an example. It
doesn't mean it's the song I'm working with, but it's one that I know
must people know, so it'll make my point really well. Let's take the
song Take it Easy by The Eagles. I, natrually am really not a
tennor. I kind of, ish, can do it, but not real well. So let's take
the chorus. Take it easy, take it easy! Don't let the sound of your
own words drive you crazy. Lighten up while you still can. Let's
say I'm in the key of G. This means on lighten up, when I hit that C
chord, my voice has to hit that G4. So, basically, the G above
middle C. For me, that's way stretching it! I can do it, but it's a
major struggle. Notice, I said struggle, I did not say strain. I'm
not straining to hit it, trust me. I can hit it, just not very full
strength usually, at least not on the first try. I usually have to
do it a few times to warm/loosen up. So, what I'm thinking is, if I
had a way I could start playing the session right where my vocals say
Don't let the sound of your own words drive you crazy... I could
sing along with that part, not recording, then as soon as I get past
that, have the record engage automatically, let me then keep singing
seemlessly, lighten up while you still can, don't even try to
understand, just find a place to take your stand, and take it easy.
After that, have the record disengage all by itself. My mike isn't
near enough to my workstation that I can have my hands on the
keyboard, nor is it easy for me to hit that line with no prior
warning to lead up to it. I just feel I need to easily work my way
into it. So yeah, if this can be done, please tell me literally step
by step, keystroke by keystroke what I'd hit to do it.
My second question is, let's say I'm doing a slow country song, and
at the very end, the last two or three bars need to be slower tempo,
giving me a ending retard kind of effect. If you wonder what I'm
talking about, listen, for instance to the end of Every Light in the
House is on by Trace Adkins. That's a perfect! example! So, I know
in the event, tempo operations window, how to go to constant, and set
a constant BPM, but then, how do I have it do a retard for me?
I'm almost done, just two more things. If I'm in say, 4/4 time, and
all a sudden, at the start of a bar, I need to switch time signatures
without moving the tempo, is there a way I can do that?
Finally, If I've inserted midi tracks into my session, and have their
output paths going to different xpand2 instrument tracks, is there
then a way that I could save that arrangement as a .mid midi file? I
know it won't save audio, and I know the samples in the xpand2 tracks
wouldn't be saved as midi. I'm perfectly aware of that. I know the
whole thing about midi isn't sound. I know it's just 1's and 0's,
hince, why I'm routing their outputs to instrument tracks. I just
wonder if I could then take those midi tracks, assign the correct GM
patches to them like piano, guitar, base, drums on channel 10, etc.
then export them down where any midi player, even something simple as
WinAmp on Windows could then play the .mid file back with the correct
patches in place, and would sound decent.
Again, I'm sorry for all the questions, but again, I trust you all
will pitch in and help me out here a bit.
Chris.
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