Hi Martin, I'm not sure if I mentioned this early on. If not, I've surely mentioned it in a different thread. It used to be that track selection and edit selection were separate with no option to link them. When there wasn't an insertion point present within a track (that is, there was no edit selection), any cutting, copying, pasting or deleting would have no effect because the insertion cursor was absent and therefore there was no edit selection and no possibility of editing anything. The way to create an insertion point was to start scrubbing anywhere and an insertion point appeared. From there, one could use Control-p or Control-semicolon to move the insertion point up or down within the edit window. The only way to really know which track had the insertion point was to simply listen. Alternatively, one could hide all other tracks and bring up only the track to be edited and the insertion point would certainly only appear in the shown track. Shuttling has the same effect. rewind and fast forward also accomplish the same result, depending on how a few checkboxes are checked in the Preferences.
As a matter of course, I always shuttle through a track to verify the contents or at least tab once to get to a clip boundary and play through it a bit to hear the contents of the track before I perform any editing task. It's such an old habit that I'm virtually unaware that I always take that approach. When you think about it, that makes sense. A sighted user can clearly see when an insertion point is present within a track or when a clip is selected. For a VoiceOver user, it's helpful to hear the clip a bit first or at least hear any part of the track in question. Beyond that, making selections with keyboard shortcuts and verifying the start, end and length fields are good practices. I know you said your edit and timeline selections are linked but I'm wondering whether the insertion point is indeed present when you begin to select your track and range. The fact that it seems to work after you've shuttled makes me suspect there's something amiss with your setup. I'll reopen the session from the zipped folder tomorrow and try it again without scrubbing or shuttling anything to begin with. Also, I'll try to look around in general to see what might be different in the session from what I normally experience. The one thing that I can't recreate is your setup in terms of the Preferences window. We might have to take a look at that at some point. I'm about to leave the studio but maybe I'll try looking at the session on my laptop if I remember to take my extra iLok key with me. Cheers, Slau On Jan 12, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Martin (Punky) Sopart <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Slau! > > The edit window is opened and all numpad navigation commands work perfect. > Waveform is selected and the track hight is set to middle. > But still no deletion possible. > Starting and stopping shuttle lock mode once by pressing Control+Numpad0 > followed by the Spacebar and the deletion works again for this track. > Same procedure again when adding another new track. > > Strange… > > Many thanks for your help and regards! / Martin > >> Am 12.01.2016 um 16:02 schrieb Slau Halatyn <[email protected]>: >> >> Hi Martin, >> >> I opened the session and followed your steps and, yes, the deletion works >> fine. >> One thing I did out of necessity is open the Edit window. By default, the >> session had only the Mix window opened. Without the Edit window being opened >> (even if it's just in the background), the numeric keypad commands for >> navigation wouldn't work. >> One thing I would check on your newly created track is that the track view >> selector is set to waveform. If it's not, you'll hear the audio but what's >> actually displayed in the timeline is whatever is selected in the track view >> selector pop-up. That could be volume information or pan, send, mute >> information, etc. If you select and delete, the only thing you'd be deleting >> is whatever the track view is displaying. It won't affect the audio. >> Double-check that your newly created track is set to waveform in the edit >> window. If you don't see the track view selector, go to the track options >> button and make sure your track height is set to at least small and not >> micro or mini. Actually, you can also set the track view from the track >> options pop-up list even if the height is set to micro or small. >> Let me know if that solves the issue. >> Slau >> >> On Jan 12, 2016, at 4:30 AM, Martin (Punky) Sopart <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Slau and list! >>> >>> Here is the link to my favorite test session. >>> >>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30728751/Uke.zip >>> >>> It's out of the ProToolsWithSpeech tutorial added with an raw recorded uke. >>> Sorry for the size but I did not want to change anything. >>> And all testers who do not own a copy of ProToolsWithSpeech should trash >>> this session after testing. >>> >>> >>> Do the following: >>> >>> Open the session with Pro Tools 12.4 or 12.3.1. >>> Select track 4 (the acoustic guitar) by using scroll to track - >>> Command+Option+F. >>> Go to bar 6 by using NumpadStar followed by Numpad6 and NumpadEnter. >>> Select to the beginning of the session by using Shift+Enter. >>> Delete the selected audio by pressing Delete or Command+B. >>> Press Enter for session start and Numpad0 for audition. >>> Now the guitar starts at bar 1. >>> >>> >>> And now: >>> >>> Insert a new mono audio track next to the guitar by pressing >>> Shift+Command+N followed by VO+Space. >>> Arm the new track by pressing Shift+R. >>> Start recording by pressing Numpad3 and record 4 bars of what ever. >>> Stop recording by pressing Numpad0. >>> Unarm the track by pressing Shift+R. >>> Go to bar 3 by pressing NumpadStar followed by Numpad3 and NumpadEnter. >>> Select to the beginning of the session by using Shift+Enter. >>> Delete the selected audio by pressing Delete or Command+B. >>> Press Enter for session start and Numpad0 for audition. >>> Did the deletion work? >>> >>> Regards! / Martin >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn >>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 3:28 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: PT12.4 or me >>>> >>>> Hi Martin, >>>> >>>> Let's try an experiment. Create a small session with one or two tracks >>>> where >>>> you can recreate this behavior. Zip it up and share a Drop Box link to it >>>> and >>>> let's see if others experience the same thing. I've never seen this before >>>> so >>>> I'm curious to figure out what the issue might be. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Slau >>>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Martin (Punky) Sopart <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Slau and list! >>>>> >>>>> Here is an additional observation. >>>>> >>>>> When opening sessions which where recorded with older Pro Tools >>>> versions deleting of selected audio works as expected. >>>>> >>>>> Inserting a new audio track into the same session results in the strange >>>> behavior for only that new audio track. >>>>> >>>>> Regards! / Martin >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn >>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 6:34 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: PT12.4 or me >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Martin, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not exactly sure why you're seeing that particular behavior. When >>>>>> Edit >>>>>> and Timelines are linked and Edit Selection Follows Track Selection are >>>>>> checked under the Options menu, the normal behavior, despite which >>>> tool is >>>>>> selected seems to be normal. In other words, if those are checked, any >>>>>> selection made in the Edit window with any particular track that is >>>> selected >>>>>> just simply works. Frankly, I don't remember the last time I had to >>>>>> change >>>> the >>>>>> edit tool for any given session. If I ever am specifically looking to see >>>> which >>>>>> tool is selected, I opt for the Selector Tool but, again, I don't >>>>>> remember >>>> the >>>>>> last time I had to verify because anything I ever do with editing just >>>>>> works >>>>>> without any issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> All that said, I have to say that one detail that is absolutely always >>>>>> true as it >>>>>> pertains to any editing that I do is that I always use either the scrub >>>>>> mode >>>> on >>>>>> the control surface or, at the very least, Shuttle mode on the numeric >>>> keypad >>>>>> to navigate within a track to get to the edit point. Since I always have >>>>>> "insertion follows scrub" checked in the Preferences window, I'm >>>>>> guaranteed to have an insertion cursor in the track because of that fact. >>>>>> Having the Edit Selection following Track Selection under the Options >>>> menu is >>>>>> supposed to ensure that same behavior but who knows, maybe there's a >>>>>> crazy overlooked issue with that. I'm not sure. >>>>>> Let me know if anything changes or you discover anything else. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Slau >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 3, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Martin (Punky) Sopart <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Slau! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for answering and helping again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the settings, options and prefs. Were set correctly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After testing the whole day I experienced something reliable and >>>>>> reproducible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not shure if this is a new PT 12.4 thing?... >>>>>>> I never came to that before. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here are my observations: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After opening a new empty session and adding e.g. an audio track I have >>>> to >>>>>> enable the Scrubber-Tool by pressing e.g. Control+Numpad0. >>>>>>> After that I habe to disable that tool by pressing Spacebar or Escape. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having done these two steps deleting copying and cutting works fine >>>> again. >>>>>>> Where does this come from? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another short question: Is there a difference between Command+B and >>>>>> the Delete key? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best! / Martin >>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>>>>> Von: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Im >>>>>>>> Auftrag von Slau Halatyn >>>>>>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2016 06:29 >>>>>>>> An: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: PT12.4 or me >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> check to make sure Track Selection is following Edit selection under >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Options menu. Also, make sure edit selection follows scrub under the >>>>>>>> Operations tab of PT Preferences. After recording a track, you should >>>> be >>>>>> able >>>>>>>> to delete audio within a track easily. If the track is selected and, >>>>>>>> say, >>>> you >>>>>>>> shuttled or scrubbed through the audio for even a split second, there >>>>>> would >>>>>>>> be an insertion point in the track for sure. Press Return to get to the >>>>>>>> beginning of the timeline and then press Shift-Option-Return to select >>>>>>>> everything in the track to the end of the timeline and press Delete. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let us know if that helps, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Slau >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Martin (Punky) Sopart >>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just installed PT12.4 under Yousemite. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When opening existing sessions I'm able to delete selected audio but >>>>>> only >>>>>>>>> out of existing tracks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When inserting a new mono audio track and recording something I'm >>>> not >>>>>>>> able >>>>>>>>> to delete the selected audio. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Same with new sessions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Loop playback of the selected audio works fine and all selecting >>>>>> functions >>>>>>>>> do also work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I checked all the time- and edit-line settings, Grabber-Tool etc. >>>>>>>>> with >>>> no >>>>>>>>> success. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Could it be a window size or zoom issue? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If so... Could I reset that values without assistance? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What else could I check? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks! / Martin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an >>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an >>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an >>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>>>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. 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