I apologize to all, I was wrong and did not update ProTools. Updating ProTools 
solve the problem. Thanks to everyone who was helping and thanks especially for 
the help on WhatsApp.

Respectfully,
Steve Baskis

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 18:41, Rory <roryj...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Strange, I was doing this a little over an hour ago just by coincidence and 
> had no issue.
> 
> Rory
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:22 PM, steve baskis <stevebas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I just did a class with icy music on navigation and pointed out some things 
>> to a instructor named Kevin Reeves. He repeated the problems on his computer 
>> and system. They seem like bugs from what we discussed and may need to be 
>> fixed. Specifically with selecting and deselecting tracks within flow tools 
>> and then the use of mouse down and up to move tracks. I am using the latest 
>> Apple OS Catalina, the latest flo tools and the latest ProTools application. 
>> I challenge anybody on the list to go and try to move tracks with the mouse 
>> down and up key commands and voiceover and see what happens. I even used a 
>> session template and imported the window settings. Not sure what is going 
>> on, I still may be making some sort of mistake. Kevin seem to think I was 
>> not and should be sending a message to Slau.
>> 
>> Thanks everybody for your help, will continue to try to work on it.
>> 
>> Steve Baskis
>> Baskis.com
>> 
>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 17:03, Rory <roryj...@rogers.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What pro tools version are you running? I'm pretty sure the collapsed 
>>> indication with voiceover on the button was only implemented in 2020.3 so 
>>> if your on an older version that may be why voiceover doesn't say it. 
>>> 
>>> Rory
>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Steve Baskis <baskis.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The key command combination to expand the windows is not announcing 
>>>> anything when I press it, is this normal? When I navigate to the bottom of 
>>>> the mix window and click on the tracks list show/hide button there is no 
>>>> indication of it being collapsed, shown or hidden. This seems strange to 
>>>> me when you tell me collapsed is what I might hear. and when I click on 
>>>> that button the tracklist moves deep within the tracks. When I click the 
>>>> tracks high/Show button again the tracklist will be located closer to the 
>>>> bottom of the mix window. I will continue to try things, but this doesn’t 
>>>> seem to work. I am not sure if my windows are expanding, because when I 
>>>> press the flow tools Key combination, command, option, shift, Z, it does 
>>>> not seem to announce anything. Flow tools seems to be working completely 
>>>> fine for me in all other areas.
>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:29, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>> At this point, I'd also make sure that both your Edit and Mix windows are 
>>>>> maximized. Flo Tools will do that with Command Option Shift z.
>>>>> I think I know what might be going on here.  Make sure that the Tracks 
>>>>> list is actually showing. There was a time when the only way you could 
>>>>> see the track list was if it was actually visible on screen. These days, 
>>>>> VoiceOver sees it no matter what. And since it's technically not on 
>>>>> screen, if you click with the mouse, it's quite possible that you'll be 
>>>>> clicking on an insert rather than in the list. So, go to the bottom of 
>>>>> the Mix window and VO left until you get to the Tracks List Show/Hide 
>>>>> button. If it says it's collapsed, there's your problem. Make sure it's 
>>>>> expanded. Give that a shot and let me know if that was the case. If not, 
>>>>> I'd be pretty surprised but let's take it from here first.
>>>>> Slau
>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, steve baskis <stevebas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Slau and everybody,
>>>>>> I have checked those settings, I have even reset all my voiceover 
>>>>>> settings since I customize a lot of things for one-handed use. Almost 
>>>>>> lost my left arm during combat Operations in Iraq while serving with the 
>>>>>> US ARMY. Reason why I am blind. Anyway, I will try to troubleshoot this 
>>>>>> some more, but something fishy is occurring when I do the mouse down. 
>>>>>> One thing I’m noticing is, when I do the mouse down it goes to this 
>>>>>> plug-in menu. After I do the mouse up it seems to be on the keyboard 
>>>>>> focus. In the tracklist Very confusing and frustrating.
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:59, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>> It certainly seems like it's the mouse pointer not following the 
>>>>>>> VoiceOver cursor. Go to the Navigation category of VoiceOver Utility 
>>>>>>> and make sure "Follows VoiceOver Cursor" is selected for the Mouse 
>>>>>>> Pointer pop-up. Let's see if that was the only issue.
>>>>>>> Slau
>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:41 PM, steve baskis <stevebas...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Slau,
>>>>>>>> I am still having trouble for some reason. I feel like it might be a 
>>>>>>>> voice over cursor problem and the location of the mouse pointer.
>>>>>>>> I navigate to the track list and interact with it and move onto the 
>>>>>>>> track name in the right column.
>>>>>>>> When I do the mouse down command, it opens up the plug-in menu, which 
>>>>>>>> is not at all where I thought my focus was.
>>>>>>>> I have tried to bring the voiceover cursor to the keyboard focus and a 
>>>>>>>> few other things, with no luck. What may be the problem if anybody has 
>>>>>>>> and idea?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:26, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>>>> Move to the track name in the right column of the Tracks List.
>>>>>>>>> Press VO Shift Command Space Bar to perform a mouse down action.
>>>>>>>>> Navigate with VoiceOver to the track above which you'd like to drop 
>>>>>>>>> the dragged track.
>>>>>>>>> Press the same keyboard shortcut, VO Shift Command Space Bar, to 
>>>>>>>>> issue the mouse up action.
>>>>>>>>> Keep in mind that, if no tracks were selected, the track upon which 
>>>>>>>>> you issued the mouse down action will become selected. If, however, 
>>>>>>>>> you had multiple tracks selected, the drab would result in all of the 
>>>>>>>>> selected tracks being dragged into position above the drop point.
>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>> Slau
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Steve Baskis <baskis.st...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hello,
>>>>>>>>>> I understand this may have been covered before, but I was wondering 
>>>>>>>>>> how to rearrange or move tracks for organizational purposes. What is 
>>>>>>>>>> the procedure to move a track? if I were sighted, I would just click 
>>>>>>>>>> and drag but that is not possible for me ha ha. I vaguely remember 
>>>>>>>>>> how to do this with the keyboard commands. any help would be greatly 
>>>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>> Steve Baskis
>>>>>>>>>> Baskis.com
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