On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Michael Weinberg
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> I would love to first contact neighborhood associations and see if
> folks who live in a given neighborhood would take it on themselves to
> support a network. That is really what PTP's original inspiration was.
> My guess is that it would be of greater value to PTP's mission and
> would make the city feel even better. That's not to say that we can't
> also cover commercial areas, and those like Alberta and NE 28th,
> Hawthorne, Belmont, etc. that are closely tied to residential areas
> and have heavy pedestrian traffic make perfect sense to tie into
> neighborhood wide access.

It's a hard sell for me.  I had a skypilot within sight of my house (1
block away) and could not connect in my house at all.  Outside was
possible in certain areas.  I purchased the indoor ruckus device and
still didn't have decent coverage.  My coffee shop had an Metrofi AP
out front and it usually worked.  While I know others had a different
experience, I did come away with a negative opinion of shared
residential wifi use with a broad coverage goal.

When you examine how people use the internet at home they have much
higher expectation of service then when they visit a wifi cloud in a
public area.  I think it would be hard to approach a community with
the goal of in home wifi using skyPilots.  It's the same song and
dance but with a new seal of "We can do it".

When you study the network requirements for residential coverage and
the # of users who benefit, I don't think wifi mesh is the best option
for our level dwelling density.  Instead put it in a place where
people are mobile.  Where they are surprised and happy with any
connection, even if their latest multiplayer video game or skype call
isn't of the highest quality.

If every block needs an AP and a dsl line, it's hard for me to see the
benefit.  But a retail area that has on average 1,000's of visitors
per week is interesting.  Now we are encouraging internet addicted
people to leave the house and visit their local economic center.

Lastly:  How will the press look for city hall?  If the project goes
from citywide to a couple of neighborhoods, I see it looking like an
issue of playing favorites, digital divide, or what about us?.  If you
target a different user type (i.e. pushing people to their local
businesses) then city hall has a good story to tell with the limited
resources that this opportunity affords.

I think it could go either way (residential or commercial), but it
does require willing partners and most likely that would define the
project.  Who is the willing partner?

Joe

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