At 16:06 26/09/99 +1000, Angela wrote: > >>What does one do when one is writing to the enemy?< > >who is this enemy? ---------------- Jawa Pos, for openers. More broadly, anyone who participated in invading Timor and butchering the population and anybody who closes ranks with the butchers on national or religious or racist or financial or military or any other grounds. ---------- Philip Madsen wrote: "I have read the complete mail. of dion. It is truly anti God, not racist, but he denied the humanity of beastly human beings. Take from below "hatred towards their betters" this alone condones the Idea that some are betters. meaning the ordinary shit are less than the elite who are white. Dion do you have a black friend? Jesus never separated people. The smallest daisy was equal to the rose. "Fuck off Dion Giles , you are trying to promote your own agenda against a people (javanese you called them) Would you care if some of them are Christian?" ------------- Betters? Yes. As Brian Jenkins has pointed out, wild beasts are the betters of those who have raped, murdered and tortured and burnt and looted their way through Timor. Opting into the category of lower than wild beasts are those who rent themselves out to demonstrate against Australia in Java, not in protest at Australia's supine collaboration with the Javanese empire but in protest against Australia leading the charge to start to protect some of its victims. Those who protect the victims are the betters of those who make victims or who close ranks with those who make the victims. Not racially better, not intellectually better, not religiously better, not physically better but _morally_ better which is more important that all the other categories put together much as such a concept may scare Philip Madsen. ------------- "the elite who are white": Indeed the true elite in this particular scene, those with the most magnificent moral qualities, aren't white at all. They are Timorese. Jose Ramos Horta has clearly spelled out what it is that justice demands. Those who don't wish to face up to realities of actual behaviour and seek to preserve impunity almost always take refuge in legalisms or in race. Philip's choice is race. ------------ "are trying to promote your own agenda against a people": Agenda, yes. My own -- yes and also that of the United Nations when it formed to foster among other things the right of peoples to self-determination. Decolonisation, it was called. All major empires but one have gone. Which of the populations of the many territories ruled by main force from Java were ever asked if they wanted to be Javanese colonies subject to blatant resource robbery and forced transmigration at Javanese behest? So yes, central to this agenda is the breakup of Indonesia. Another part of the agenda is to end impunity, so that if anybody, of any race, religion or nationality, wishes to commit crimes against subject individuals and peoples (including in the criminals' own homeland) such wouldbe criminals can be given pause by the increasing probability that there will be very unpleasant and hopefully fatal consequences for themselves, personally and individually. Against a people? No. I haven't the faintest idea whether the number of Javanese wanting to preserve their forced rule over all those colonies, and to preserve impunity for soldiers who commit crimes enforcing it, amounts to 1%, 50%, 90% or more. Irrelevant. Those who do are enemies. This includes Magawati Soekarno Putri. Of course, if they wished to propose a voluntary union, that's something entirely different but any who do so wish are regrettably unheard. ------------ "Would you care if some of them are Christian?" Nup. Irrelevant. ---------- "do you have a black friend?" Dunno what's meant by "black" but in this context it looks as if Philip is classing Asians as "black". Certainly non-white. If it's Asians the answer is yes as it happens, including three very close friends with as high a degree of mutual trust as with any white friend. Unlike Philip Madsen none of us place importance on race except the human race. --------------------- Finally a reiteration: The nation of Australia can be as friendly with the nation of Java as with any other nation once it has: **Disbanded its criminal armed forces for which the outside world foots the bill **Freed its colonies unless homegrown majorities opt for federal status **Handed all known criminals over for punishment or _seriously_ punished them themselves **Returned all kidnap victims in good condition **Paid for the material damage they have caused **Abjectly apologised for what they have done. And to whom should criminals be handed over for punishment? For crimes committed against the Timorese, Falantil would be as good as any for trying and punishing the criminals. Australia, definitely not. We have yet to settle accounts with the Australian criminals who sold out their country (and continue to do so) in return for access to cheap Indonesian labour and stolen mineral resources plus certain US geopolitical objectives. Dion Giles Fremantle, Western Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Neither public email list, open for the public and general discussion. To unsubscribe click here Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=unsubscribe To subscribe click here Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=subscribe For information on [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neither.org/lists/public-list.htm For archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
