Jess & ALL
    Tell ALL where and when the exhausted votes are ever again considered.
                 Tony                              
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Date: Friday, March 02, 2001 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Evidence of disenfranchisement, and real chances to do far more than help Mr O'Shea

Antony,
 
As you have supplied the extract from the Queensland Electoral Act, I again bring to your attention that the Act does not give anyone the Authority to remove exhausted ballots from the count.  It only states that,
 
(7) On the second count--
 
     (a) the candidate who has the fewest first preference votes must be
excluded
; and
 
     (b) each ballot paper recording a first preference vote for that
candidate that is not exhausted must be transferred 
     to the candidate next in the order of the voter's preference; and
(it does not contiune saying that exhausted ballot papers are to be removed from the count.)
     (c) that ballot paper must be counted as a vote for that candidate.
 
It does not state that the exhausted ballot paper must be excluded from the count, just the candidate is excluded from the count.
That is why preferences that are not exhausted are passed to the remaining candidates according to the preference indicated on the ballot.
 
An election win is based 50% plus 1 of 100% of formal ballots not 92.1% of formal ballots as in the KAWANA seat where 8.8% of the ballot papers have been removed from the ballot/count.
 
I can understand your confusion being so involved in the Election Process, "that you can't see the forest for the trees".
 
 
Regards Jess Perez
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jess Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 02 March, 2001 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Evidence of disenfranchisement, and real chances to do far more than help Mr O'Shea

The following extract is from the Queensland Electoral Act. You will note
that Section Nine specifies that the majority of votes is defined as being
of those votes remaining in the count.

As preferences can only be distributed to continuing candidates, if a
ballot paper for an excluded candidate has no preferences, it cannot be
transferred to a continuing candidate, and as only continuing candidates
remain in the count, exhausted votes therefore can't be seen as part of the
votes remaining in the count.

Antony Green




ELECTORAL ACT 1992 - SECT 119

Official counting of votes

119.(1) As soon as practicable after polling day, the returning officer for
each electoral district must ensure that the
commission's staff follow the procedures set out in this section.

(2) Firstly, the staff must--

     (a) open all ballot boxes in relation to the electoral district that
have not previously been opened; and

     (b) identify all declaration envelopes and keep those in relation to
different electoral districts in separate parcels;
     and

     (c) seal up each parcel of envelopes for an electoral district other
than the returning officer's electoral district, write
     on each a description of its contents, sign the description and permit
any scrutineers who wish to do so to
     countersign the description; and

     (d) send the parcels to the returning officer for the appropriate
electoral district.

(3) Secondly, the staff must--

     (a) open all sealed parcels of ballot papers sent to the returning
officer under section 118; and

     (b) arrange all formal ballot papers under the names of the candidates
for the election by placing in a separate
     parcel all those on which a first preference vote is indicated for the
same candidate; and

     (c) count the first preference votes for each candidate on all of the
formal ballot papers.

(4) Thirdly, the staff must--

     (a) open all ballot boxes on hand in which ballot papers from
declaration envelopes have been placed under
     section 116(3); [67] and

     (b) arrange all formal ballot papers under the names of the candidates
for the election by placing in a separate
     parcel all those on which a first preference vote is indicated for the
same candidate; and

     (c) count the first preference votes for each candidate on all of the
formal ballot papers and add the number to
     that obtained under subsection (3)(c); and

     (d) reapply paragraphs (a) to (c) as more envelopes are placed in
ballot boxes under section 116(3), until there
     are no more envelopes required to be placed in ballot boxes under that
section.

(5) If, because of final counting under subsection (4), a majority of the
first preference votes is for 1 candidate, that candidate is
elected.

(6) If not, then a second count must take place.

(7) On the second count--

     (a) the candidate who has the fewest first preference votes must be
excluded; and

     (b) each ballot paper recording a first preference vote for that
candidate that is not exhausted must be transferred
     to the candidate next in the order of the voter's preference; and

     (c) that ballot paper must be counted as a vote for that candidate.

(8) If, on the second count, a candidate has a majority of the votes
remaining in the count, the candidate is elected.

(9) If not, the process of--

     (a) excluding the candidate who has the fewest votes; and

     (b) transferring each ballot paper of that candidate that is not
exhausted to the continuing candidate next in the
     order of the voter's preference; and

     (c) counting it to that candidate as a vote;

must be repeated until 1 candidate has a majority of the votes remaining in
the count.

(10) The candidate who, under subsection (9), has a majority of the votes
remaining in the count is elected.

(11) Despite subsections (7) and (9), the process of transferring to a
continuing candidate each of the ballot papers that is not
exhausted and counting it to the candidate as a vote must not be repeated
if there is only 1-continuing candidate, but that
candidate is elected.

(12) If, on any count at which the candidate with the fewest number of
votes must be excluded, 2 or more candidates have an
equal number of votes and that number is fewer than the number of votes of
any other candidate--

     (a) the candidate who had the fewest number of votes at the last count
at which the candidates did not have an
     equal number of votes must be excluded; or

     (b) if the candidates had an equal number of votes at all earlier
counts--the candidate whose name is on a slip
     chosen under subsection (13) must be excluded.

(13) For the purposes of subsection (12)(b), the returning officer must--

     (a) write the names of the candidates who have an equal number of
votes on similar slips of paper; and

     (b) fold the slips to prevent the names being seen; and

     (c) place the slips in an opaque container; and

     (d) mix the slips; and

     (e) raise the container so that its contents are not visible and
choose a slip at random.

(14) If, on any count at which the candidate with the fewest number of
votes must be excluded, 2 or more candidates have an
equal number of votes and the candidates are the only continuing
candidates--

     (a) the returning officer must refer the matter to the commission,
which must refer it to the Court of Disputed
     Returns; and

     (b) the court must determine the validity of any disputed ballot
papers and recount all of the ballot papers by
     applying subsection-(3)(b) and (c) and subsections (5) to (12); and

     (c) if the determination and recount results in a candidate being
elected--the court must declare the candidate
     elected; and

     (d) if not--the court must order that a fresh election be held.

(15) Subsection (14) does not affect the jurisdiction of the court under
part 8 [68] in relation to the disputing of an election.


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