Patrick Durusau wrote:
Henry,
Another reason why the SW is failing:
You don't see it as a need because you don't think of the options you
are missing. Like people in 1800 did not think horses were slow,
because they did not consider that they could fly. Or if they did
think of that it was just as a dream.
Or closer to home, in the 80ies most people did not miss getting
information quickly, the library was around the corner. Or they did
not miss buying their tickets online.
You need a bit of imagination to see what you are missing. Which is
why a lot of people stop dreaming.
It's painful.
I would reply with equally ad hominem remarks but it isn't worth the
effort.
Patrick,
There is no Semantic Web.
There will be no Semantic Web.
There was/is a Semantic Web Project.
Key output from the Semantic Web Project is the burgeoning Web of Linked
Data.
The Web of Linked Data enhances what can be done with the Web.
We just need to get RDF out of the way re. distractions!
Linking Data across Data Spaces offers unique value that's bubbling up
the value chain, exponentially.
As I once said. Obama is going to be remembered for Linked Open Data
rather than healthcare.
Just stay tuned!
Kingsley
Patrick
On 7/2/2010 7:03 AM, Henry Story wrote:
On 2 Jul 2010, at 12:49, Patrick Durusau wrote:
Henry,
On 7/2/2010 6:03 AM, Henry Story wrote:
On 2 Jul 2010, at 11:57, Patrick Durusau wrote:
On 7/2/2010 5:27 AM, Ian Davis wrote:
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Patrick
Durusau<[email protected]> wrote:
I make this point in another post this morning but is your
argument that
investment by vendors =
I think I just answered it there, before reading this message.
Let me
know if not!
I think you made a very good point about needing examples so user
can say: "I want to do that."
Which was one of the strong points of HTML.
Ok, what users will want is the Social Web. And here is the way to
convince people:
"The Social Network Privacy Mess: Why we Need the Social Web"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=994DvSJZyww&feature=channel
( This can of course be improved) The general ideas should be clear:
dystopia: we cannot have all social data centralised on one server.
utopia: there is a lot of money to be made in creating the social
web, and thereby
increasing democracy in the world.
This can ONLY be done with linked data. And there is a real need
for it.
Several presumptions:
1) "there is a lot of money to be made creating the social web" - ?
On what economic model? Advertising? Can't simply presume that money
can be made.
Look I could leave that to you as an exercise to the reader. I don't
know why people want me
to give them answers also on how to make money. Sometimes you have to
think for yourself.
Just think how much bigger a global social web is. Then think
everyone connecting to everyone.
Then think that perhaps you could sell software to firms that have
certain needs, to doctors and hostpitals that have other needs, to
universities, etc. etc...
It's up to your imagination really.
2) "thereby increasing democracy in the world" - ??? Not real sure
what that has to do with social networks. However popular
"increasing democracy" may be as a slogan, it is like "fighting
terrorism."
Because people can publish their own data, and control what they say
and to whome they say it a lot more.
Different governments and populations have different definitions for
both. I have my own preferences but realize there are different
definitions used by others.
I don't care what dictators think about democracy frankly.
3) "can ONLY be done with linked data." Really? Seems like the phone
companies from your example did it long before linked data.
Phone companies do something very simple: connect phones. The
internet connects computers. The web connects pages. You need the
semantic web to connect things (and hence people)
4) "there is a real need for it." ? I get as annoyed as anyone with
the multiple logins and universities do have some common logins for
their internal systems but I am not sure I would describe it as a need.
You don't see it as a need because you don't think of the options you
are missing. Like people in 1800 did not think horses were slow,
because they did not consider that they could fly. Or if they did
think of that it was just as a dream.
Or closer to home, in the 80ies most people did not miss getting
information quickly, the library was around the corner. Or they did
not miss buying their tickets online.
You need a bit of imagination to see what you are missing. Which is
why a lot of people stop dreaming.
It's painful.
At least until some survey shows that a large number of users are
willing to pay for such a service.
I have never heard of an inventor making surveys to test things out.
That is nonsense. At most what that can tell you is little details,
ways to fine tune a system. It will never let you see the big changes
coming.
Hope you are looking forward to a great weekend!
you too.
Patrick
Henry
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