-- Original Message -----
From: Henry Story
To: AzamatAbdoullaev Azamat
Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; Harry Halpin ; adasal
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers - Re: Schema.org considered helpful
On 18 Jun 2011, at 17:09, AzamatAbdoullaev wrote:
HS wrote: "The recent discussions on this list were very much about how to
avoid making distinctions unless you have to (Just-In-Time Distinctions?) So
why are the above distinctions needed? Particularly with regard to this
conversation."
It concerns your talks, going under the overpromising and undelivering
title, "Philosophy and the Social Web", starting from the epithet "the web is
now philosophical engineering".
Missing the distinctions is leading to such poor online services as the
schema.org's types.
What is missing is an argument from how not making four philosophical
distinctions can lead to schema.org :-)
I think the talk shows quite clearly how philosophy and the web are coming
together at many different levels, from the philosophy of language and
reference, to the philosophy of mind. I thought the talk was long enough as is.
It took me quite a while to put together.
But all that is talk. I am back to hacking away to build some of this stuff.
AA: Good luck, Henry. I believe, you can bring us something really valuable.
Henry
----- Original Message -----
From: Henry Story
To: AzamatAbdoullaev
Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; Harry Halpin ; adasal
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Hackers - Re: Schema.org considered helpful
On 18 Jun 2011, at 08:13, AzamatAbdoullaev wrote:
HS: "I gave a talk on the philosophy of the Social Web if you are
interested."
http://www.slideshare.net/bblfish/philosophy-and-the-social-web-5583083
For the specifics of TBL's motto, "the web as a philosophical
engineering", see Harry's article:
http://www.apaonline.org/publications/newsletters/v07n2_Computers_04.aspx
Some interesting assertions: "we are not analyzing a world, we are
building it. We are not experimental philosophers, we are philosophical
engineers." ; "online intelligence is generated through complex causal
interaction in an extended brain-body-environment system"; "The Web is ...the
creation and evolution of external representations in a universal information
space".
I'd extend: if the the world wide web is "a universal information
space", the semantic/ontological web is a universal knowledge space.
And we need avoid confusing four fields: philosophical engineering,
philosophy of engineering, engineering philosophy, and engineering of
philosophy.
The recent discussions on this list were very much about how to avoid
making distinctions unless you have to (Just-In-Time Distinctions?) So why are
the above distinctions needed? Particularly with regard to this conversation.
Azamat
----- Original Message -----
From: Henry Story
To: adasal
Cc: Lin Clark ; Bjoern Hoehrmann ; Linked Data community ; Semantic
Web
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers - Re: Schema.org considered helpful
On 17 Jun 2011, at 19:27, adasal wrote:
That said the hacker is a various beast,
Indeed, hackers are not angels. But the people on this list should
get back to hacking or work together with open source projects to get initial
minimal working pieces embedded there. WebID is one; foaf is another, pingback,
access control, ...
Get the really simple pieces working.
and I wonder if this sort of thing can really be addressed without
overarching political/ethical/idealogical concerns. It's tough.
It all fits together really nicely. I gave a talk on the philosophy
of the Social Web if you are interested.
http://www.slideshare.net/bblfish/philosophy-and-the-social-web-5583083
Hackers tend to be engineers with a political attitude, so they are
more receptive to the bigger picture. But solving the big picture problem
should have an easy entry cost if we want to get it going.
I talked to the BBC but they have limited themselves to what they
will do in the Social Web space as far as profile hosting goes. Again, I'd
start small. Facebook started in universities not that long ago.
Henry
Social Web Architect
http://bblfish.net/
Social Web Architect
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Social Web Architect
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