Am 21.06.2012 00:19, schrieb Oscar Corcho:
Sorry that I have not been able to follow this thread, but now that
Elena pointed out to some work that we have been doing in the
validation of geographical links, I can share my view.
In my opinion it is not always easy to generate a game with a purpose
that actually engages people in some of these tasks, and the
difficulty lies exactly in finding good games for that. I was trying
the ones sent by Jens but could not find easily what to do, but this
doesn't mean anything else than given how busy I was when checking I
had not enough time to spend on trying to understand well the game (I
am probably not the person that this type of game is addressing).
In the meantime, anyway, I think that using some form of "human
computation" is still something that can be applied (we are doing it
successfully for our link validation tasks for linked geographical
data, as pointed by Elena here
http://oegdev.dia.fi.upm.es:8080/sameAs/, and people are very good at
checking those things).
Oscar
PS: Again, sorry for having missed the thread and not being able to
read through it quickly given the high traffic that it has generated.
I hope not to have repeated something that was already said, or not to
open many other threads ;-)
I think that both Oscar and Martin are right that finding a good game
plot for arbitrary Semantic Web or Linked Data tasks is not trivial; the
enthusiasm that this community shows to the general idea of gamification
is understandable, but one needs to be aware of the risks. Putting aside
the fact that it is not always obvious why certain games are successful
and other not (it still remains an art, more than just engineering...),
games development can be highly costly, especially if you want to add
more badges and other gimmicks any other time so that players do not
get bored and leave. I would disagree that domains like biology cannot
be addressed with this approach. Examples such as Eterna [1], FoldIt [2]
and Philo [3] demonstrate the opposite; astronomy, cultural heritage and
media provide other examples, but what all these success stories share
is, besides an excellent idea for a game plot, a real problem in a given
vertical domain which the community of interest associated with that
domain (be that experts or laymen) is intrinsically motivated to solve.
The approach that the Semantic Web field is following is less
convincing, because we first pick an abstract task (say, interlinking or
information extraction) and then build a game in some (sometimes
arbitrarily chosen) domain, without having direct access to the
domain-specific communities of interest, who would be the actual players.
[1] http://eterna.cmu.edu/
[2] http://fold.it/
[3] http://phylo.cs.mcgill.ca
--
Oscar Corcho
Ontology Engineering Group (OEG)
Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
Facultad de Informática
Campus de Montegancedo s/n
Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, España
Tel. (+34) 91 336 66 05
Fax (+34) 91 352 48 19
De: Elena Simperl <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Fecha: miércoles 20 de junio de 2012 17:49
Para: Gannon Dick <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
CC: Melvin Carvalho <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>, Leigh Dodds <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>, Kingsley Idehen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>, "[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>, Oscar Corcho <[email protected]
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Asunto: Re: Can we create better links by playing games?
Nuevo envío de: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Fecha de nuevo envío: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:50:10 +0000
Am 20.06.2012 17:10, schrieb Gannon Dick:
I think the "games" are very helpful for geo classification. Meta
data links are a monte carlo integration. The further you step back
to include more identifiers the less discriminating the identifiers
become, and some may be ignored, or replaced with an unlinked generic
substitution. The worldview of a Football Fan and a Government
Policy Wonk don't begin the same, but they can end with the same
organization.
http://www.rustprivacy.org/2012/cctld/psp/
I really liked the SmartCities idea.
--Gannon
There is also work done by UPM in Madrid on validating links between
geospatial data sets using human computation
http://oegdev.dia.fi.upm.es:8080/sameAs/ (just pick a random user id,
and a data set).
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*From:* Melvin Carvalho <[email protected]>
*To:* Leigh Dodds <[email protected]>
*Cc:* Kingsley Idehen <[email protected]>; [email protected]
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:51 AM
*Subject:* Re: Can we create better links by playing games?
On 20 June 2012 15:46, Leigh Dodds <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Melvin Carvalho
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
> On 20 June 2012 15:11, Kingsley Idehen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> On 6/19/12 3:23 PM, Martin Hepp wrote:
>>>
>>> [1] Games with a Purpose for the Semantic Web, IEEE
Intelligent Systems,
>>> Vol. 23, No. 3, pp. 50-60, May/June 2008.
>>
>>
>> Do the games at: http://ontogame.sti2.at/games/, still work?
The more data
>> quality oriented games the better re. LOD and the Semantic Web
in general.
>>
>> Others: Are there any other games out there?
>
>
> iand is working on a game:
>
> http://blog.iandavis.com/2012/05/21/wolfie/
Is that relevant? :)
I guess I was reaching a bit there :)
I think it's just a fun project at the moment. But you never know
how things will develop, look at the explosion of minecraft. Also
written by one of the top linked data experts in the world ... so you
can only hope! :)
One thing that I think could be really good is if inked geo browser
(also aksw) were somehow gamified.
L.
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Dr. Elena Simperl
Assistant Professor
Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
t: +49 721 608 45778
m: +49 1520 1600994
e:[email protected]
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Dr. Elena Simperl
Assistant Professor
Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
t: +49 721 608 45778
m: +49 1520 1600994
e: [email protected]
