On 7/29/12 2:15 PM, Jürgen Jakobitsch wrote:
hi,i'm going to deposit my use of linked data here and add some comments. please note, that i'm a one man company, but it's gonna be clearly visible that the use of linked data is very extensible. the promises from 1:n (sql) and SOA have been solved. i'm not going to write any api, outputting this or another xml, json or whatever format, that others (data consumers) will need to implement again on the other side. see this [1] visualization of my dataport. at the moment i have 1. vocabulary domain (which is very small at the moment, but is in preparation for being extended extensivly, i'm working on a common terms vocabulary for the last two years (OpenDirectory) with common simple terms. in preparation there's a categorization scheme (skos) for use with "good relations" and organizations [2] as well as an opensource thesaurus and a standards thesaurus. 2. organization domain, which will cover organizations in the field of semantic web / linked data 3. schema domain (ontologies and schemas) 4. business domain (with sioc wiki) if you take a look at the visualization, one can easily see the benefits of linked data. although i'm not producing data in the million triple range, i can add domains, subdomains and other things to my liking without even thinking about an api (silo or hurdle that other need to take) i'm simply going to extend my dataport as i see fit, combine all subdomains with each other, connect to other linked data sources.. in other words i stopped programming for my domains and started organizing data...
+ 1000....You've groked 'data programmability' via structured data. This is the promised land sought by many a tech behemoth, for the last 40+ years of modern silicon based computing.
BTW - there's a nice design issues document [1] from TimBL about the principle of least power, simplicity etc.. that feed nicely into all of this.
btw. even my bookkeeping fits in that scheme, it will also be online (protected by webID) soon.
Yes, put more into the data and then use ACL based data access policies. Again, this is where WebID and its authentication protocol are simply killer solutions that make Linked Data exploitation even more powerful, and viable.
I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT DATA ANYMORE, this chapter is closed. now can use my energy to build a thesaurus about zen :)
+ 1000...
I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT API ANYMORE.
+ 1000...
sparql endpoint is in place.
Yep a super Web Service dimension that's solves the data access API issue like no other. SQL has nothing like it at all. Luckily, via Linked Data Views and SPARQL+SQL combos, you can exploit the best of both worlds too.
i even have an own template engine (JSP-Writer for OpenRDF Sesame) which fullfills all my needs.
Yep!
I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT UPDATING MY DATA. since i all have it in one place, i also only need to edit it in one place. see here for example [3], my user page in a semantic media wiki with data from my domain. honestly, i don't really understand, why people, organizations (small or big) do NOT use linked data.
Because if what you describe exists, it utterly terrifying to the status quo who like to use the allure of "fake openness" to lure the inattentive down the next silo ridden technology cul-de-sac.
You've seen the light, so I urge you to continue spreading the world to others. We must make simplicity our communication tool. There's nothing wrong with value proposition narratives starting with DIY (do-it-yourself) patterns that help folks understand the basic concepts.
Premature optimization (alternative to DIY) is eternally frustrating when the goal at hand is initial introduction and comprehension of concepts that underlie the vale being pitched.
Too much time has been spent, for the wrong reasons, giving folks the impression that Linked Data is complex.
Links:1. http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Principles.html -- TimBL note about Simplicity, Principle of Least Power etc..
Kingsley
wkr turnguard [1] http://visualization.turnguard.com/protovis/sunburst.html [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/ [3] http://kingsley.idehen.net/MediaWiki/index.php?title=User:Jakobitschj% C3%BCrgen On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 15:37 +0200, Members Fusepool wrote:When reading through this list (not just this thread), where a naive observer would locate LOD's most vocal enthusiasts, I get the impression that LOD is in the midst of the Valley of Death. So before you sell your fortune, note that clever investors are just waiting for the Valley of Death to buy at lowest valuations... More seriously: standardized, open, non-proprietary approaches for adding value to data will win because interoperable and interchangeable methods and parts significantly decrease the cost of production and the network effects of new adopters make these approaches increasingly more valuable to all. The question is not whether, but when (remember Keynes: in the long-term we're all dead). As to the when, when is the right time, NEVER listen to the majority of existing customers when pursuing real innovations. In this (admittedly rare) case, existing customers are the millstone around your neck. They bother you with their reality, the status quo, and can get quite demanding. But the reality of today can never be the reality of the future, it never has been and it will never be that way. As long-term observer of the Semantic Web world, I'm scratching my head because more than 10 years in the internet age ARE very long-term. So what's going on here? My impression is that the initial deep mismatch/mistrust of business and open advocates (remember when open-source was seen as something communist? ... remember Sun CEO O'Neilly?) has never been resolved really in the semweb world, which it definitely has in open-source software (oss). So what went wrong? A single answer would not serve a complex problem but one reason why semweb and oss developed differently regarding business impact may be that the former was too reliant on academic institutions and their funding, which made it possible to sustain a semweb world relatively independent from business requirements. Anyway, what is needed now are real business or societal use cases that have a lasting impact, the ones that I read in the Sunday morning newspaper about as I do about oss. So, let's drop the demo, and another demo, and yet another demo of cool or not-so-cool things and plan for real usage scenarios that offer a SOLUTION. It's just a rainy Sunday afternoon... Michael Kaschesky On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Kingsley Idehen <[email protected]> wrote: All,There is a tendency assume an eternal lack of functional andscalable business models with regards to Linked Data. I think its time for an open discussion about this matter.It's no secret, I've never seen business models as challengingLinked Data. Quite the contrary. That said, instead of a dump from me about my viewpoints on Linked Data models, how about starting this discussion by identifying any non "Advertising based business model" that have actually worked on the Web to date.As far as I know, "Advertising" and "Surreptitious PersonalProfile Data Wholesale" are the only models that have made a difference to the bottom lines of: Google, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo! and other non eCommerce oriented behemoths.Based on the above, let's have a serious and frank discussionabout business models with the understanding agreement that one size will never fit all, ever, so this rule cannot be overlooked re. Linked Data. Also remember, Business models aren't silver bullets, they are typically aligned with markets (qualified and quantified pain points) and the evolving nature of tangible and monetizable value.Hopefully, the floor is now open to everyone that has a vestedinterest in this very important matter :-)-- Regards, Kingsley IdehenFounder & CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
-- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder & CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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