i wrote;
>In my opinion, a street level view;
>The likes of Ivan, Karl, Doug, many W3C others, are doing an outstanding job, thank you. >HTML 5, was created out of a deep pool of frustration, poor leadership from the top people at the W3C, nothing has changed.


This was a "street level" view, not a view from the "Ivory Tower".
"to join the battle"
(battle; "to work very hard or struggle; strive")

To join


Dan Brickley wrote:
+cc: Sam Ruby, TimBL, DanC

On 13/2/09 10:27, Michael Bolger wrote:

Friends of XHTML, are seeing a train wreck, the same "old" W3C
"hero-worshiped" "leadership" does nothing of any substance to join the
battle. HTML 5 has won by default.

Who, Where? is the top representative from the W3C in the html5/xhtml5
process.

Marketing RDFa? Get someone to lead the effort in the html5/xhtml5
battle before it is over.

This is not a battle. Battles kill people. It is a dispute amongst technologists who have varying assumptions, backgrounds, collaboration networks and agendas, and who are slowly learning to see each other's perspective.

Please (and I am very serious here) stop using such bloody metaphors to describe what should be a civil and mutually respectful collaborative process. You will not improve anything if you foster this kind of perspective on our shared problems. Battle talk results in a battle mindset. I do not want to hear any RDFa advocates talking in such terms.

Really, enough with the battle stuff. Go find someone who works on HTML5 and be nice to them, find common ground, try out their tools.

Thanks in advance,

Dan



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