Thanks. I will check your use case later. Now Dr. Chris Stoeckert (my supervisor) and I are working on MO terms that were used in the microarray experiments which stored in ArrayExpress. Most of the terms used in those studies have been added into OBI. If you have other terms needed including those out of scope of MGED ontology, you can either provide the list to me or check OBI first and submit needed terms to OBI tracker items directly (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=177891&atid=886178).

I will post latest mapping file later today and let you know the link.

Thanks,

Jie

Jim McCusker wrote:
Thanks. I have been using classes and properties from MGED Ontology in magetab2magerdf (http://magetab2magerdf.googlecode.com), and was hoping to move to an OBI-based mapping sooner rather than later. You can see an example at http://magetab2rdf.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/magetab2magerdf/examples/E-MEXP-986.rdf

You will note that I am using an extension of MO which includes classes and properties for things like Comments, ProtocolApplications, and other items that are missing from MO. Any advice on if those items exist in OBI would be helpful.

Thanks,
Jim

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Jie Zheng <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Hi Jim,

    We are only working on classes and instances but properties now.
    Most of mapped classes have logical definition (use OBI
    properties) in OBI. We will map properties when classes/instances
    mapping are done. If you have any use cases that used MO
    properties, please let me know. I can check whether it can map to
    any OBI one.

    Thanks,

    Jie

    Jim McCusker wrote:

        Is this just classes, or are properties mapped as well?

        Jim

        On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:07 PM, <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:

           Hi All,

           I have made the mapping between MO and OBI/OBO ontologies and
           posted the mapping
           files on MGED ontology page. You can find the links in the
        mapping
           section of
           page
           http://mged.sourceforge.net/ontologies/MGEDontology.php

           The mapping were made based on the definition. We found it
        should
           be more
           accurate to map the terms based on how they were used in the
           MAGE-TAB files.
           This work is in progress. I will update the MO to OBI
        mapping file
           soon and
           distribute the link.

           Thanks,

           Jie



           Quoting Helen Parkinson <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
           <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>:


               Hi all,

               let me clarify. OBI is at release 1.0

               1. EFO imports parts of OBI that we need for
        ArrayExpress, we
               will continue to use EFO in ArrayExpress, as it has added
               terms and relations between terms that exist nowhere else -
               cell types, to cell lines for example. And it has some
        terms
               that are imported from e.g. the cell type ontologu EFO
        is an
               application ontology and will persist as we need it in our
               GUIs. You can see our paper on this here:

http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/btq099

               2. Where we import terms from OBI - or any other
        ontology we
               retain their namespace as recommended by OBI foundry.
        As more
               terms are in OBI we will import them.

               3. My colleague Jie Zheng is in the process of mapping
        MO to
               OBI and when this is complete we will import more terms
        from
               OBI into EFO, but EFO will still be used for the
        foreseeable
               future by ArrayExpress. You can think of EFO as an
        application
               ontology, or view on OBI and many other ontologies.

               4. Where ontology terms imported into EFO have an
               authoritative source e.g. Chebi we use their namespace and
               where they are from non authoritative sources, for example
               there is no obo foundry ontology and many competing
        ontologies
               we assign our own ids and will continue to do so

               Happy to answer any questions.

               best regards

               Helen





               Michael Miller wrote:

                   hi all,

                   some comments on the minutes.

                   "Possible overlaps with EFO ontology from EBI and OBI"

                   if i understand correctly, EFO was created because
        OBI was
                   not finalized
                   yet and ArrayExpress at EBI is a live gene
        expression data
                   repository and
                   the curators needed an ontology they could use.  i
        believe
                   their plan is
                   to move to OBI or update EFO to reflect the
        relationship
                   of terms in EFO
                   to terms in OBI.

                   "MGED may be part of OBI now"

                   MGED (www.mged.org <http://www.mged.org>
        <http://www.mged.org>) is a non-profit

                   organization.  What is being referred
                   to as MGED on the HCLS web site is a predecessor to OBI
                   which should be
                   called the MGED Ontology, also referred to as MO, that
                   came out of an MGED
                   effort.  OBI is to replace MO.

                   cheers,
                   michael

                   Michael Miller
                   Principal Software Developer
                   www.teranode.com <http://www.teranode.com>
        <http://www.teranode.com>



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