We’re in the review period, feel free to comment :)

In my point of view, there’s a confusion here between an identity 
(givenName+surName) and an individual (a physical person).
An identity can be claimed by several individuals, therefore it’s ambiguous. 
Likewise, an individual can have several identities, and these identities can 
change over the individual’s life.

BR only requires CAs to assert that an Applicant is right when claiming an 
identity and address. In the final certificate, you’ll only find the claimed 
identity and address, not the exact Applicant.

Looking at OV certificates, this ambiguity is already there. O can contain a 
company name or a brand name; a company name can be used by several distinct 
companies (even at the same place); a brand name registered under one 
jurisdiction belongs to a single company, but the same brand name can be 
registered in different jurisdictions and can also be used by different 
companies (with agreements). Identity and address verification can be performed 
using different documents, adding another layer of flexibility/complexity.


Cordialement,
Erwann Abalea

Le 24 août 2016 à 14:10, Adriano Santoni 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit 
:


Pardon me for commenting on this topic when the ballot was already initiated.

However, I was not implying that the BRs currently require extra attributes in 
the Subject DN, nor am I proposing to modify the BRs at this stage.

I was just arguing that givenName+surname is too vague as an identity, IMO, 
even if referred to a specific country and locality.

That is, it does not seem to me an effective "equivalent" of the 
organizationName that is requested for OV certs.

I know that the BRs have been that way for long, so I am aware that my is a bit 
untimely.

Il 24/08/2016 13:07, Erwann Abalea ha scritto:
Bonjour,

givenName and surName are sufficient to specify an identity. More than one 
person may share this identity, but to me, BR don’t tend to distinguish them. 
There’s nothing in BR requiring CAs to generate certificates with canonical and 
non-ambiguous names. The non-ambiguity goal is achieved by following EVG only.

Given your example IV certificate, you’ll have givenName=John, surName=Doe, and 
also a country and either a localityName or a stateOrProvinceName. So you’ll 
know that this website belongs to someone named John Doe living in a specific 
city or state in this country, but nothing more.

If you want to follow ETSI 319412-1 rules and insert a serialNumber attribute 
to avoid name collisions, feel free, it’s not forbidden.

Cordialement,
Erwann Abalea

Le 24 août 2016 à 12:08, Adriano Santoni 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit 
:


But givenName and surname are not sufficient to specify an identity. How many 
Robert Smiths exist in UK/US/CA ? (or Mario Rossi in Italy, as to that).

If I would like to know who's behind a web site whose SSL cert contains 
giveName=John, surname=Doe, I am none the wiser.

Il 23/08/2016 20:02, Bruce Morton ha scritto:
OK, thanks.

Bruce.

From: Jeremy Rowley [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 6:16 PM
To: Bruce Morton <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: givenName and surname revived

What do you mean by definition? I consider IV v. OV well defined because of the 
meaning associated with the OID inserted into the cert. Section 7.1.6.1 states 
“ {joint‐iso‐itu‐t(2) international‐organizations(23) ca‐browser‐forum(140) 
certificate‐policies(1) baseline‐requirements(2) individual‐validated(3)} 
(2.23.140.1.2.3), if the Certificate complies with these Requirements and 
includes Subject Identity Information that is verified in accordance with 
Section 3.2.3.” Section 3.2.3 is verification of an individual whereas Section 
3.2.2 is verification of an organization.

Jeremy

From: Bruce Morton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 6:11 AM
To: Jeremy Rowley 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: givenName and surname revived

Hi Jeremy,

My apologies, but can you clarify the section where IV certs are well defined? 
I see that “individual-validated” is stated twice in sections 1.2 and 7.1.6.1 
(the same for domain-validated and organization-validated), but I can’t find 
the definition.

Thanks, Bruce.

From: Jeremy Rowley [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:41 AM
To: Bruce Morton <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: givenName and surname revived

Hey Bruce – IV certs are well defined. The goal of the ballot isn’t to further 
define IV certs but to permit use of the givenName and surname fields for IV 
certs. giveName and surname in the org field would be allowed. They’d still use 
the IV OIDs as they were validated under the IV section of the CP.

From: Bruce Morton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:41 AM
To: Jeremy Rowley 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: givenName and surname revived

Hi Jeremy,

Would like some clarification. On the call yesterday, it was said that IV 
certificates were not defined, so this ballot will help resolve this.

Per 7.1.4.2.2 b, the current BRs allow givenName and surname to be included in 
the organizationName field. Will this still be allowed? If so, what would the 
certificate type be? OV or IV? I would prefer that these be OV certificates.

If we do make the changes and the CAs have to meet Microsoft’s requirement to 
put a DV, OV, or IV certificate policy in the certificate, I think we should 
clearly define each certificate type.

Also, the stateOrProvinceName field appears to currently have an issue as it 
does not have any language to address the case where there is no state or 
province in the address.

Thanks, Bruce.

From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Rowley
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:09 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [cabfpub] givenName and surname revived

Looking for two endorsers for the following revisions the baseline requirements 
adding support for givenName and surname:

Insert a new (C) under 7.1.4.2.2, renumbering all subsequent bullets.

c. Certificate Field: subject:givenName (2.5.4.42) and subject:surname (2.5.4.4)
Optional.
Contents:  If present, the subject:givenName field and subject:surname field 
MUST contain an natural person Subject’s name as verified under Section 3.2.3. 
A Certificate containing a subject:givenName field or subject:surname field 
MUST contain the (2.23.140.1.2.3) Certificate Policy OID.

d. Certificate Field: Number and street: subject:streetAddress (OID: 2.5.4.9)
    Optional if the subject:organizationName field, subject: givenName field, 
or subject:surname field are ispresent. Prohibited if the 
subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName, and subject:surname field 
are is absent.
   Contents: If present, the subject:streetAddress field MUST contain the 
Subject’s street address information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.

e. Certificate Field: subject:localityName (OID: 2.5.4.7)
Required if the subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName field, or 
subject:surname field are ispresent and the subject:stateOrProvinceName field 
is absent. Optional if thesubject:stateOrProvinceName field and the 
subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName field, or subject:surname  
field are present. Prohibited if the subject:organizationName field, 
subject:givenName, and subject:surname field are is absent.
Contents: If present, the subject:localityName field MUST contain the Subject’s 
locality information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If the 
subject:countryName field specifies the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of XX in 
accordance with Section 7.1.4.2.2(g), the localityName field MAY contain the 
Subject’s locality and/or state or province information as verified under 
Section 3.2.2.1.

f. Certificate Field: subject:stateOrProvinceName (OID: 2.5.4.8)
Required if the subject:organizationName field field, subject:givenName field, 
or subject:surname field areis present and the subject:localityName field is 
absent. Optional if the subject:localityName field and the 
subject:organizationName field, the subject:givenName field, or subject:surname 
field are present. Prohibited if the subject:organizationName field, 
subject:givenName field , or subject:surname field are isabsent. Contents: If 
present, the subject:stateOrProvinceName field MUST contain the Subject’s state 
or province information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If the 
subject:countryName field specifies the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of XX in 
accordance with Section 7.1.4.2.2(g), the subject:stateOrProvinceName field MAY 
contain the full name of the Subject’s country information as verified under 
Section 3.2.2.1.

g. Certificate Field: subject:postalCode (OID: 2.5.4.17)
Optional if the subject:organizationName, subject:givenName field, or 
subject:surname fields are ispresent. Prohibited if the 
subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName field, or subject:surname 
field are is absent.
Contents: If present, the subject:postalCode field MUST contain the Subject’s 
zip or postal information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.

h. Certificate Field: subject:countryName (OID: 2.5.4.6)
Required if the subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName , or 
subject:surname field is present. Optional if the subject:organizationName 
field, subject:givenName field, and  subject:surname field are isabsent.
Contents: If the subject:organizationName field is present, the 
subject:countryName MUST contain the two‐letter ISO 3166‐1 country code 
associated with the location of the Subject verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If 
the subject:organizationName, subject:givenName field, and subject:surname  
field are  is absent, the subject:countryName field MAY contain the two‐letter 
ISO 3166‐1 country code associated with the Subject as verified in accordance 
with Section 3.2.2.3. If a Country is not represented by an official ISO 3166‐1 
country code, the CA MAY specify the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of XX 
indicating that an official ISO 3166‐1 alpha‐2 code has not been assigned.

i. Certificate Field: subject:organizationalUnitName
Optional.
Contents: The CA SHALL implement a process that prevents an OU attribute from 
including a name, DBA, tradename, trademark, address, location, or other text 
that refers to a specific natural person or Legal Entity unless the CA has 
verified this information in accordance with Section 3.2 and the Certificate 
also contains subject:organizationName, subject:givenName, subject:surname, 
subject:localityName, and subject:countryName attributes, also verified in 
accordance with Section 3.2.2.1.

7.1.6.1
…
If the Certificate asserts the policy identifier of 2.23.140.1.2.1, then it 
MUST NOT include organizationName, givenName, surname, streetAddress, 
localityName, stateOrProvinceName, or postalCode in the Subject field.
…




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