Right, the question is whether the Subject field value, presented in accordance with id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId, remains BR/EVG compliant.

Thanks,
M.D.

On 8/29/2016 10:10 PM, Erwann Abalea wrote:
(sent from home, this will not go to public, unless you forward it)

It depends.

If the QCStatement extension declares the id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId-Natural semantics identifier, then yes, the serialNumber will contain the passport number, IDcard number, or other (there's a list in EN 319412-1). The data contained in this attribute is structured. For example, for me, this serialNumber will be "PASFR-07CL42154" if I present my french passport. This information is not sensitive.

If there's no semantics identifier declared in the QCStatements extension, or if this extension is missing, the serialNumber is local to the CA. And of course, a relying party would have to ask the CA to point to the right "Robert Smith" individual.

That doesn't fit well with web server certificates... Even if the serialNumber contains a global identifier (such as passport), the probability that as a user I can compare the passport number found in the certificate to the real passport number of Robert Smith is hardly higher than zero.

2016-08-29 20:36 GMT+02:00 Kirk Hall <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:

    Erwann, you mention the serialNumber attribute for a natural
    person – I assume this is not a Social Security number or other
    sensitive information?

    But if each CA assigns its own serialNumber for the same (or
    different) “Robert Smith,” I don’t see how a user can figure out
    which Robert Smith it is dealing with…

    *From:*[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
    [mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Erwann Abalea
    *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 1:47 AM
    *To:* Moudrick M. Dadashov <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    *Cc:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: [cabfpub] givenName and surname revived

    That’s easily done for a certificate issued to a legal person if
    you really need it:

     - EN 319412-4 asks you to follow CABF BR or EVG, which don’t
    prevent you from adding other attributes or extensions

     - add the organizationIdentifier attribute formatted as described
    in EN 319412-1 section 5.1.4

     - add a QCStatements extension containing the qcStatement-2
    QC-STATEMENT (as defined in RFC3739), and populate the
    semanticsIdentifier element with the id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId-Legal OID

    Same goes for a certificate issued to a natural person, just use
    the serialNumber attribute instead of the organizationIdentifier,
    fill it according to EN 319412-1 section 5.1.3, use
    id-etsi-qcs-SemanticsId-Natural OID as the semantics identifier.

    Of course, you’re not REQUIRED to produce eIDAS compliant
    certificates.

    Cordialement,

    Erwann Abalea

        Le 24 août 2016 à 15:05, Moudrick M. Dadashov <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :

        eIDAS Article 3 (38):

        ‘certificate for website authentication’ means an attestation
        that makes it possible to authenticate a website and links the
        website to the natural or legal person to whom the certificate
        is issued;

        Thanks,
        M.D.

        On 8/24/2016 1:08 PM, Adriano Santoni wrote:

            But givenName and surname are not sufficient to specify an
            identity. How many Robert Smiths exist in UK/US/CA ? (or
            Mario Rossi in Italy, as to that).

            If I would like to know who's behind a web site whose SSL
            cert contains giveName=John, surname=Doe, I am none the wiser.

            Il 23/08/2016 20:02, Bruce Morton ha scritto:

                OK, thanks.

                Bruce.

                *From:*Jeremy Rowley
                [mailto:[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>]
                *Sent:*Monday, August 22, 2016 6:16 PM
                *To:*Bruce Morton<[email protected]>
                <mailto:[email protected]>;[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Subject:*RE: givenName and surname revived

                What do you mean by definition? I consider IV v. OV
                well defined because of the meaning associated with
                the OID inserted into the cert. Section 7.1.6.1 states
                “{joint‐iso‐itu‐t(2) international‐organizations(23)
                ca‐browser‐forum(140) certificate‐policies(1)
                baseline‐requirements(2) individual‐validated(3)}
                (2.23.140.1.2.3), if the Certificate complies with
                these Requirements and includes Subject Identity
                Information that is verified in accordance with
                Section 3.2.3.” Section 3.2.3 is verification of an
                individual whereas Section 3.2.2 is verification of an
                organization.

                Jeremy

                *From:*Bruce Morton [mailto:[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>]
                *Sent:*Monday, August 22, 2016 6:11 AM
                *To:*Jeremy Rowley <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>>;[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Subject:*RE: givenName and surname revived

                Hi Jeremy,

                My apologies, but can you clarify the section where IV
                certs are well defined? I see that
                “individual-validated” is stated twice in sections 1.2
                and 7.1.6.1 (the same for domain-validated and
                organization-validated), but I can’t find the definition.

                Thanks, Bruce.

                *From:*Jeremy Rowley
                [mailto:[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>]
                *Sent:*Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:41 AM
                *To:*Bruce Morton <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>>;[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Subject:*RE: givenName and surname revived

                Hey Bruce – IV certs are well defined. The goal of the
                ballot isn’t to further define IV certs but to permit
                use of the givenName and surname fields for IV certs.
                giveName and surname in the org field would be
                allowed. They’d still use the IV OIDs as they were
                validated under the IV section of the CP.

                *From:*Bruce Morton [mailto:[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>]
                *Sent:*Friday, August 19, 2016 6:41 AM
                *To:*Jeremy Rowley <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>>;[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Subject:*RE: givenName and surname revived

                Hi Jeremy,

                Would like some clarification. On the call yesterday,
                it was said that IV certificates were not defined, so
                this ballot will help resolve this.

                Per 7.1.4.2.2 b, the current BRs allow givenName and
                surname to be included in the organizationName field.
                Will this still be allowed? If so, what would the
                certificate type be? OV or IV? I would prefer that
                these be OV certificates.

                If we do make the changes and the CAs have to meet
                Microsoft’s requirement to put a DV, OV, or IV
                certificate policy in the certificate, I think we
                should clearly define each certificate type.

                Also, the stateOrProvinceName field appears to
                currently have an issue as it does not have any
                language to address the case where there is no state
                or province in the address.

                Thanks, Bruce.

                *From:*[email protected]
                
<mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>]*On Behalf
                Of*Jeremy Rowley
                *Sent:*Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:09 PM
                *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Subject:*[cabfpub] givenName and surname revived

                Looking for two endorsers for the following revisions
                the baseline requirements adding support for givenName
                and surname:

                Insert a new (C) under 7.1.4.2.2, renumbering all
                subsequent bullets.

                _c.*Certificate Field*: subject:givenName (2.5.4.42)
                and subject:surname (2.5.4.4)_

                *_Optional._*

                *_Contents: _*_If present, the subject:givenName field
                and subject:surname field MUST contain an natural
                person Subject’s name as verified under Section 3.2.3.
                A Certificate containing a subject:givenName field or
                subject:surname field MUST contain the
                (2.23.140.1.2.3) Certificate Policy OID_.

                _d._Certificate Field: Number and street:
                subject:streetAddress (OID: 2.5.4.9)

                    Optional if the subject:organizationName field_,
                subject: givenName field, or subject:surname field
                are_ispresent. Prohibited if the
                subject:organizationName field_, subject:givenName,
                and subject:surname field are_isabsent.

                Contents: If present, the subject:streetAddress field
                MUST contain the Subject’s street address information
                as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.

                _e_. Certificate Field: subject:localityName (OID:
                2.5.4.7)

                Required if the subject:organizationName
                field,_subject:givenName field, or subject:surname
                field are_ispresent and the
                subject:stateOrProvinceName field is absent. Optional
                if the_subject:stateOrProvinceName field and the
                subject:organizationName field, subject:givenName
                field, or subject:surname _field are present.
                Prohibited if the subject:organizationName
                field,_subject:givenName, and subject:surname field
                are_isabsent.

                Contents: If present, the subject:localityName field
                MUST contain the Subject’s locality information as
                verified under Section 3.2.2.1. If the
                subject:countryName field specifies the ISO 3166‐1
                user‐assigned code of XX in accordance with Section
                7.1.4.2.2(g), the localityName field MAY contain the
                Subject’s locality and/or state or province
                information as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.

                _f_. Certificate Field: subject:stateOrProvinceName
                (OID: 2.5.4.8)

                Required if the subject:organizationName field
                field,_subject:givenName field, or subject:surname
                field are_ispresent and_the_subject:localityName field
                is absent. Optional if the_subject:localityName field
                and the subject:organizationName field, the
                subject:givenName field, or subject:surname field_are
                present. Prohibited if the subject:organizationName
                field,_subject:givenName field , or subject:surname
                field_areisabsent. Contents: If present, the
                subject:stateOrProvinceName field MUST contain the
                Subject’s state or province information as verified
                under Section 3.2.2.1. If the subject:countryName
                field specifies the ISO 3166‐1 user‐assigned code of
                XX in accordance with Section 7.1.4.2.2(g), the
                subject:stateOrProvinceName field MAY contain the full
                name of the Subject’s country information as verified
                under Section 3.2.2.1.

                _g_. Certificate Field: subject:postalCode (OID: 2.5.4.17)

                Optional if the
                subject:organizationName,_subject:givenName field, or
                subject:surname_fields_are_ispresent. Prohibited if
                the subject:organizationName field,_subject:givenName
                field, or subject:surname field are_isabsent.

                Contents: If present, the subject:postalCode field
                MUST contain the Subject’s zip or postal information
                as verified under Section 3.2.2.1.

                _h_. Certificate Field: subject:countryName (OID: 2.5.4.6)

                Required if the subject:organizationName
                field,_subject:givenName , or subject:surname field_is
                present. Optional if the subject:organizationName
                field,_subject:givenName field_, and _subject:surname
                field are_isabsent.

                Contents: If the subject:organizationName field is
                present, the subject:countryName MUST contain the
                two‐letter ISO 3166‐1 country code associated with the
                location of the Subject verified under Section
                3.2.2.1. If the
                subject:organizationName,_subject:givenName field, and
                subject:surname_ field_are_ isabsent, the
                subject:countryName field MAY contain the two‐letter
                ISO 3166‐1 country code associated with the Subject as
                verified in accordance with Section 3.2.2.3. If a
                Country is not represented by an official ISO 3166‐1
                country code, the CA MAY specify the ISO 3166‐1
                user‐assigned code of XX indicating that an official
                ISO 3166‐1 alpha‐2 code has not been assigned.

                _i_. Certificate Field: subject:organizationalUnitName

                Optional.

                _Contents:_The CA SHALL implement a process that
                prevents an OU attribute from including a name, DBA,
                tradename, trademark, address, location, or other text
                that refers to a specific natural person or Legal
                Entity unless the CA has verified this information in
                accordance with Section 3.2 and the Certificate also
                contains subject:organizationName,_subject:givenName,
                subject:surname,_subject:localityName, and
                subject:countryName attributes, also verified in
                accordance with Section 3.2.2.1.

                7.1.6.1

                …

                If the Certificate asserts the policy identifier of
                2.23.140.1.2.1, then it MUST NOT include
                organizationName,_givenName, surname,_streetAddress,
                localityName, stateOrProvinceName, or postalCode in
                the Subject field.

                …




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