We made some progress and we're getting closer to starting the
discussion period for this ballot. We're "almost" there :)
I have created a pull request
https://github.com/dzacharo/documents/pull/2 that contains all the
changes we discussed in past meetings. We have two (final?) issues to
address before proceeding:
1. Ryan suggested that we replace the term "Full Member" (new term I
proposed) with "Voting Member". I support this change which makes
things clearer to the readers. "Members" would be the total of
"Voting Members, Associate Members and Interested Parties".
2. We added the term "Voting Representative". My suggestion was to
leave "the *process *to designate Voting Representatives for voting
members" to the individual Chartered Working Group charters to
address. Google strongly feels the assignment process should be
addressed and described in the Bylaws and be Forum-level consistent.
I don't have strong feelings about this and would be happy to make
this process Forum-wide.
I would like to hear any feedback with objections or concerns regarding
these two changes. Unless I hear otherwise, I will proceed with these
updates on Friday April 24. Hopefully, if I get a second endorser we can
start the discussion period on April 27. As promised, the discussion
will remain open for at least 14 days before considering voting to begin.
Thank you,
Dimitris.
On 2020-02-29 12:07 π.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public wrote:
On 2020-02-28 5:29 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi wrote:
Hi Dimitris,
There's a lot of changes here, and this will take us quite a bit of
time to digest.
I don't know that we're necessarily supportive of the "Full Member"
definition, and the implications that has. The implicit consequences
of treating Interested Parties as Members of the Forum is not what
was intended with the current Bylaws, as I understand it, and so it
has ramifications throughout. That is, our definitions have
historically been "Member, Associate Member, Interested Party" - with
zero overlap. This seems to redefine things to be "Full Member,
Associate Member, Interested Party", with using "Member" as the
aggregate term for all three, and it's unclear why that was necessary.
The concern that was documented in the Bylaws issues was that it
becomes confusing when we use plural (i.e. Forum Members, WG Members).
Does that include "all Members"? Does it include only "Members" (with
a capital "M")? Does it include every Forum member? That's mainly the
problem I tried to solve by adding the "Full Member" definition.
However, if we can find an alternative approach to achieve the same
goal, I would support it.
However, the biggest concern remains with the approach to the Chair /
Vice Chair making changes to "Informative" sections. We're
tremendously appreciative of your efforts here in finding a solution,
and we're trying to work through how best to propose changes that
capture the intent. We're very appreciative of the explicit attempt
to limit the scope in sucha manner.
Thank you for that, all I did was include some language that was
proposed in previous meeting. I hope it will only require a few more
tweaks to become acceptable by Google.
Dimitris.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:15 AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via
Public <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I just received a comment that Section 2.3 point 7 also needs to
precede all occurrences of "Member" with "Full", as Interested
Parties are sometimes able to participate in Forum
Teleconferences, etc, and so may affect the quorum without a
corresponding ability to vote.
So, I updated this paragraph to:
"7. A ballot result will be considered valid only when more
than half of the number of currently active Full Members has
participated. The number of currently active Full Members is the
average number of Full Member organizations that have
participated in the previous three (3) Forum Meetings and Forum
Teleconferences."
There is no need to circulate a new version yet. I'll wait for
more feedback.
Thanks,
Dimitris.
On 2020-02-27 8:51 μ.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via
Public wrote:
Following up from the latest F2F meeting, I have prepared a
ballot for a Bylaws update.
I am looking for two endorsers.
Thanks,
Dimitris.
*Purpose of Ballot:* The Forum has identified and discussed a
number of improvements to be made to the current version of the
Bylaws to improve clarity and allow the Forum to function more
effectively. Most of these changes are described in the “Issues
with Bylaws to be addressed
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtrIy3F5cPge0_M-C8J6fe72KcVI8H5Q_2S6S31ynU0>”
document.
Here is a list of major changes:
1. Clarification of the use of the term “Member” so it is clear
when we discuss about all Forum Members (which includes
Associate Members and Interested Parties), and when we
discuss about the “Full Members”.
2. Adding the term “Voting Representative” which is designated
by each Member. Only votes submitted by Voting
Representatives will be considered
3. Replacing of the term “Forum wiki” with the properly defined
term “Member Web Site”
4. Removing references for Webmaster in the definition of
“Public Web Site” since it is repeated in section 5.2
5. New Photography Policy in Exhibit D
6. Clarification of 4.1 (2) that Forum Members nominate
representatives
7. Allowing informative changes to Guidelines by the Chair or
Vice Chair
8. In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is trusted in the
“latest” software produced by a Certificate Consumer
*— MOTION BEGINS –*
*Amendment to the Bylaws:* Replace the entire text of the Bylaws
of the CA/Browser Forum with the attached version (CA-Browser
Forum Bylaws draft v2.3.pdf).
*
**— MOTION ENDS –*
A red-line is also attached (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws draft v2.3
redline.pdf).
The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:
Formal discussion period: (14+ days)
Ballot Discussion Begins: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
Ballot Discussion Ends: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
Vote for approval (7 days)
Ballot Vote Begins: TBD
Ballot Vote Ends: TBD
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