Dimitris,
I made some comments in github about a few minor issues that I think
it would be useful to resolve, but this draft is close enough to the
desired final state that I’d feel comfortable endorsing it, if that
removes a roadblock to it moving forward.
-Tim
*From:* Public <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Dimitris
Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 2:15 AM
*To:* CABforum1 <[email protected]>
*Subject:* [cabfpub] Ballot Forum-12: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws [Was:
"Ballot Forum-XX: Update CA/B Forum Bylaws to version 2.3"]
We made some progress and we're getting closer to starting the
discussion period for this ballot. We're "almost" there :)
I have created a pull request
https://github.com/dzacharo/documents/pull/2 that contains all the
changes we discussed in past meetings. We have two (final?) issues to
address before proceeding:
1. Ryan suggested that we replace the term "Full Member" (new term I
proposed) with "Voting Member". I support this change which makes
things clearer to the readers. "Members" would be the total of
"Voting Members, Associate Members and Interested Parties".
2. We added the term "Voting Representative". My suggestion was to
leave "the *process *to designate Voting Representatives for
voting members" to the individual Chartered Working Group
charters to address. Google strongly feels the assignment process
should be addressed and described in the Bylaws and be
Forum-level consistent. I don't have strong feelings about this
and would be happy to make this process Forum-wide.
I would like to hear any feedback with objections or concerns
regarding these two changes. Unless I hear otherwise, I will proceed
with these updates on Friday April 24. Hopefully, if I get a second
endorser we can start the discussion period on April 27. As promised,
the discussion will remain open for at least 14 days before
considering voting to begin.
Thank you,
Dimitris.
On 2020-02-29 12:07 π.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via Public
wrote:
On 2020-02-28 5:29 μ.μ., Ryan Sleevi wrote:
Hi Dimitris,
There's a lot of changes here, and this will take us quite a
bit of time to digest.
I don't know that we're necessarily supportive of the "Full
Member" definition, and the implications that has. The
implicit consequences of treating Interested Parties as
Members of the Forum is not what was intended with the
current Bylaws, as I understand it, and so it has
ramifications throughout. That is, our definitions have
historically been "Member, Associate Member, Interested
Party" - with zero overlap. This seems to redefine things to
be "Full Member, Associate Member, Interested Party", with
using "Member" as the aggregate term for all three, and it's
unclear why that was necessary.
The concern that was documented in the Bylaws issues was that it
becomes confusing when we use plural (i.e. Forum Members, WG
Members). Does that include "all Members"? Does it include only
"Members" (with a capital "M")? Does it include every Forum
member? That's mainly the problem I tried to solve by adding the
"Full Member" definition. However, if we can find an alternative
approach to achieve the same goal, I would support it.
However, the biggest concern remains with the approach to the
Chair / Vice Chair making changes to "Informative" sections.
We're tremendously appreciative of your efforts here in
finding a solution, and we're trying to work through how best
to propose changes that capture the intent. We're very
appreciative of the explicit attempt to limit the scope in
sucha manner.
Thank you for that, all I did was include some language that was
proposed in previous meeting. I hope it will only require a few
more tweaks to become acceptable by Google.
Dimitris.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:15 AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos
(HARICA) via Public <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I just received a comment that Section 2.3 point 7 also
needs to precede all occurrences of "Member" with "Full",
as Interested Parties are sometimes able to participate
in Forum Teleconferences, etc, and so may affect the
quorum without a corresponding ability to vote.
So, I updated this paragraph to:
"7. A ballot result will be considered valid only when
more than half of the number of currently active Full
Members has participated. The number of currently active
Full Members is the average number of Full Member
organizations that have participated in the previous
three (3) Forum Meetings and Forum Teleconferences."
There is no need to circulate a new version yet. I'll
wait for more feedback.
Thanks,
Dimitris.
On 2020-02-27 8:51 μ.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
via Public wrote:
Following up from the latest F2F meeting, I have
prepared a ballot for a Bylaws update.
I am looking for two endorsers.
Thanks,
Dimitris.
*Purpose of Ballot:* The Forum has identified and
discussed a number of improvements to be made to the
current version of the Bylaws to improve clarity and
allow the Forum to function more effectively. Most of
these changes are described in the “Issues with
Bylaws to be addressed
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtrIy3F5cPge0_M-C8J6fe72KcVI8H5Q_2S6S31ynU0>”
document.
Here is a list of major changes:
1. Clarification of the use of the term “Member” so
it is clear when we discuss about all Forum
Members (which includes Associate Members and
Interested Parties), and when we discuss about
the “Full Members”.
2. Adding the term “Voting Representative” which is
designated by each Member. Only votes submitted
by Voting Representatives will be considered
3. Replacing of the term “Forum wiki” with the
properly defined term “Member Web Site”
4. Removing references for Webmaster in the
definition of “Public Web Site” since it is
repeated in section 5.2
5. New Photography Policy in Exhibit D
6. Clarification of 4.1 (2) that Forum Members
nominate representatives
7. Allowing informative changes to Guidelines by the
Chair or Vice Chair
8. In 5.3.1 require that a Certificate Issuer is
trusted in the “latest” software produced by a
Certificate Consumer
*— MOTION BEGINS –*
*Amendment to the Bylaws:* Replace the entire text of
the Bylaws of the CA/Browser Forum with the attached
version (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws draft v2.3.pdf).
*
— MOTION ENDS –*
A red-line is also attached (CA-Browser Forum Bylaws
draft v2.3 redline.pdf).
The procedure for approval of this ballot is as follows:
Formal discussion period: (14+ days)
Ballot Discussion Begins: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
Ballot Discussion Ends: March XX, 2020 19:00 UTC
Vote for approval (7 days)
Ballot Vote Begins: TBD
Ballot Vote Ends: TBD
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