On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 7:15 AM Andrew Ayer <[email protected]> wrote:

> Are the challenges with acquiring a full list of affected certificates
> applicable only to expired certificates, or also unexpired certificates?
>

Only to expired certificates. Let's Encrypt did provide the full data on
all unexpired certificates in that incident report. All statements in my
email above were with regards to going *further* than that to additionally
provide data on certificates that were already untrusted in the WebPKI due
to expiration.


> What makes your database for expired certificates less easily-queryable?
>

We do not maintain a database of expired certificates. As I said, Let's
Encrypt prunes data regarding long-since-expired certificates from the
database to prevent it from growing without bound. Audit log data is of
course retained for the period required by the BRs, but searching text logs
stored on magnetic tape is much harder than querying structured databases.


> Does it require additional staff time to query, or is it just a matter
> of waiting for a query to complete?
>

Both. Writing, debugging, testing, and validating the scripts which perform
custom searches across text data takes longer than writing database
queries, and then executing those scripts against terabytes of logs takes
longer than running database queries.


> How much longer would incident response and remediation take if you had
> to query your last 2 years of expired and unexpired certificates, as
> opposed to only unexpired certificates?
>

Based on our more recent incident, which did require going to tape to query
logs covering the last ~2 years, I estimate that it would have added a week
to the investigation.

Thanks,
Aaron

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