Excellent. --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Bradley D. Thornton <[email protected]> wrote:Oh, I forgot to include the Sponsoring Members contribution levels for you Hugh:
1.) Bronze Level Sponsor: $100 - $499 USD per year 2.) Silver Level Sponsor: $500 - $1499 USD per year 3.) Gold Level Sponsor: $1500 - $2499 USD per year 4.) Platinum Level Sponsor: $2500 - $4999 USD per year 5.) Benefactor: $5000.00+ USD per year > But no, aside from the fact that it is outside our charter, TLDA cannot and > does not have any ambitions on becoming some sort of governance organization, > although we participate in Internet governance arenas all the time - it's in > our best interests to put forth our interests. > >> // /3. Nowhere do you tell the commoner what the hell your talking about. / >> > > Yes, that really isn't our focus. The document is intended for use as an > operational set of standards and procedures for use by a technical body > (Mainly, our compliance Committee), There's really no intent or reason to > explain the technical substance to a layperson. There's a couple of ponts to > that: > > 1.) A TLD Holder either understands this, or they have contracted or hired > competent DNS administrators to digest and understand the nature of the DNS > naming protocol - someone who has done neither has no business operating a > TLD, because they can't. They physically can't do it. > > 2.) The website, and our organization does not exist to enjoy the > understanding of the general public with regards to the technical > implementations of DNS technologies anymore than IANA or the IETF does. The > core audience is not the general public - it's TLD Holders/Operators/Managers > and the technical DNS community. > > 3.) where it is practical, we attempt to explain a bit about what a Top-Level > Domain is, why some are available via certain DNS root services and why some > aren't. The main job of reaching the public with a layperson friendly > explanation of everything TLD related is really the job of the roots and the > various respective registries for each TLD. Those are the entities that the > burden of explanation to the average falls upon. If they can't impart the > understanding of basic concepts required to make someone want to register an > SLD via one of their registrars or registration centers, then they have > failed to produce a viable business product - that goes both for commercial > and non-commercial models. > > 4.) The TLD is, however, here to assist the various TLD Holders, their > registries, and by extension, their registrars in educating the general > public about their business products. Such is part of the mission of a trade > organization - to promote the success of their members products. XXXXXX My comments on the above: Yes how wonderfully put. The problem is that in order to have any influence under your target of participation you would need; Devine recognition, Royal Fiat or someone to die and make you king. I fully support your notion of hiring proxies to handle the technical rights which must be safegaurded. However good man, "if you can't explain what you are doing to the common man - you have no business doing it". This was spoken at a Yale medical school seminar to aspiring physicians and Jesuits who attended. The speaker was my father. He of course stole it from Einstein. I own a TLD. I conspire with my techies to do my bidding. I advise governments in subrosa fashion how to circumvent international technical protocals. I use adjuncts and hierlings to do the work. And I tell anyone who asks. "if they cannot communicate it to you, it is not because you are too dull, it is because they are incompetent. And if they are incompetent in communicating they have no business in the telecommunications business." If you cannot communicate your ideas and intentions to bright young women who make policy decisions and influence consumer and voter opinion, who have no intentions of learning your trade -- your "trade" is not one. If the archetect says to the "homeowner" you do not understand flying buttresses, greenboard and concepts of weight bearing so you cannot understand the home -- he will be poor and hungry very quickly. Lawyers do not have Bar Associations to learn how to treat each other better (well maybe bad example) You get my point. Please consider my intent and approach as to how to make the TLDA more accessible to consumers. They may not need to participate but they do need to understand. > >> /From reading it, I get the impression this club is only for brainiacs and >> sophisticated computer engineering folk./ >> > That is why a non-technically oriented TLD Holder may, at their pleasure, > designate someone to be the TLDA Member representing their TLD. It was > understood a long time ago that it is often the case that when an idea is a > great idea, a savvy businessperson will employ someone with the true ability > to launch a product, to launch their product. It is often the case that the > savvy businessperson is the money person, and the brainiac that makes it all > work has no independent command of the resources needed to support the > business infrastructure. XXXXXXX But then you got bupkiss for interfacing with the world. You up there!! Can you hear me from your ivory tower that controls all internet communications??? >> /Sorry but you are suggesting that you effect millions of dotcommoners and >> leaving them out of the founding documents makes you little more than the >> stakeholderless ICANN./ >> > Network Solutions, as the TLD Holder for .COM, is very welcome to Join TLDA > anytime they choose to. We also accept Sponsoring memberships from businesses > and individuals that support the TLDA mission. XXXXXX How can they possibly support that which you cannot help them to understand?? I am sorry but the kind of engineering folks that you want to limit yourselves to, do not go around sticking their cash in the hands of do gooders. You want philanthropy from the individual, institutional or professional quarters you ain't gonna get it this way. "I can't tell you what we are doing in plain English but will you donate?" Dream on brother. And if you want political supportive policies, forget getting that because you are smart. > > Remember, it is the business products (whether commercial or non-commercial - > it is still a business product if registrations are offered to the public or > implemented on an a companies corporate Intranet) of our members and other > TLD Holders that affect millions of dotcommers - in this case, if you are > referring to dotcommers who have registered SLDs under the .COM TLD, then it > is Network Solutions' business product that is affecting millions of > dotcommers ;) > > The business products of our members and non-member TLD Holders alike; to > wit: TLDs, do affect millions of ISP subscribers who access the Internet via > their subscriptions with their respective ISPs, however. For that reason, we > have both flexible and non-flexible standards for membership in the TLDA, to > ensure that our members, at the very least, are capable of actually operating > a TLD and providing a stable and permanent name space for those Internet > subscribers, as well as their respective ISPs, who themselves subscribe to > the Internet via their upstream providers of Internet service or via peering > arrangements with other service providers. > >> // It is my hope that you can accept me and my expertise as I wholly rely on >> you and yours. >> > > Oh, you are VERY welcome Hugh :) We value your input and observations. > >> It is my belief that you want to do the right thing, but I know you do not >> know how to express it -- legalese aside. Technical engineering expertise >> is not something that is innate. You must work hard and study to be good at >> it. Likewise, thinking abstractly and in a manner that is logical and >> inclusive is not innate, you must work and work and study to become even >> satisfactory at it. Why do we accept this in the engineering but assume >> anyone can do it in the logical thinking arena? >> > > Yes, but again, our target industry and audience is the brainiacs ;) > >> _Cogito Ergo Sum_ is not intended to be a placebo. >> // <snippage> >> > >> In the post you received in your inbox posted by John on 31 May 2009 at appx >> 22:42hrs. >> 0r you can get it from the member's list archives Here: >> http://tldainc.org/pipermail/members_tldainc.org/2009-June/001266.html >> Your looking for the attachment to the post which is below: >> http://tldainc.org/pipermail/members_tldainc.org/attachments/20090601/5490a90b/attachment-0001.doc >> >> >> <condensed and snipped> >> >> > > John Palmer wrote: >> > >> > Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 5:43 PM >> > >> > Hugh - This organization will rise and fall on whether we get >> > people to participate in a positive way to build the organization into >> > something that is credible and of value to the community. >> > We are trying to offer an alternative vision to the one that ICANN >> > presents. >> > The start to that is the core document that describes how the >> > Compliance Committee vettes TLD instances for the reccommended list. >> > Might I suggest, if you want to help out, that you lend a hand >> > cleaning this up. I'm no lawyer, I just wrote it from a policy >> > perspective. >> > I'm sure it would get howls of laughs from even first year law >> > students. >> > Just a suggestion >> > Thanks in advance for any support that you decide to give us. >> > John >> > all snippeded> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Public mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://tldainc.org/mailman/listinfo/public_tldainc.org >> > -- Bradley D. Thornton Top Level Domain Association http://TLDAinc.org _______________________________________________ Public mailing list [email protected] http://tldainc.org/mailman/listinfo/public_tldainc.org
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