Now why couldn't I have been as succinct as John? :)
John Palmer wrote:
Hugh - you make a good point. We are a trade association of TLD
holders, but unless we get buy-in from the
greater internet community, we wont go far.
I see your point. We need to find a way to explain WHY this matters to
the individual internet user. Would your
female friend in DC be interested in helping us?
John
----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Dierker
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Public] Public Comments on LCC-002 Draft...
But no, aside from the fact that it is outside our charter, TLDA
cannot and does not have any ambitions on becoming some sort of
governance organization, although we participate in Internet
governance arenas all the time - it's in our best interests to put
forth our interests.
// /3. Nowhere do you tell the commoner what the hell your talking
about. /
Yes, that really isn't our focus. The document is intended for use as
an operational set of standards and procedures for use by a
technical body (Mainly, our compliance Committee), There's really no
intent or reason to explain the technical substance to a layperson.
There's a couple of ponts to that:
1.) A TLD Holder either understands this, or they have contracted or
hired competent DNS administrators to digest and understand the
nature of the DNS naming protocol - someone who has done neither has
no business operating a TLD, because they can't. They physically
can't do it.
2.) The website, and our organization does not exist to enjoy the
understanding of the general public with regards to the technical
implementations of DNS technologies anymore than IANA or the IETF
does. The core audience is not the general public - it's TLD
Holders/Operators/Managers and the technical DNS community.
3.) where it is practical, we attempt to explain a bit about what a
Top-Level Domain is, why some are available via certain DNS root
services and why some aren't. The main job of reaching the public
with a layperson friendly explanation of everything TLD related is
really the job of the roots and the various respective registries for
each TLD. Those are the entities that the burden of explanation to
the average falls upon. If they can't impart the understanding of
basic concepts required to make someone want to register an SLD via
one of their registrars or registration centers, then they have
failed to produce a viable business product - that goes both for
commercial and non-commercial models.
4.) The TLD is, however, here to assist the various TLD Holders,
their registries, and by extension, their registrars in educating the
general public about their business products. Such is part of the
mission of a trade organization - to promote the success of their
members products.
XXXXXX
My comments on the above: Yes how wonderfully put. The problem is
that in order to have any influence under your target of participation
you would need; Devine recognition, Royal Fiat or someone to die and
make you king. I fully support your notion of hiring proxies to handle
the technical rights which must be safegaurded. However good man, "if
you can't explain what you are doing to the common man - you have no
business doing it". This was spoken at a Yale medical school seminar
to aspiring physicians and Jesuits who attended. The speaker was my
father. He of course stole it from Einstein. I own a TLD. I conspire
with my techies to do my bidding. I advise governments in subrosa
fashion how to circumvent international technical protocals. I use
adjuncts and hierlings to do the work. And I tell anyone who asks.
"if they cannot communicate it to you, it is not because you are too
dull, it is because they are incompetent. And if they are incompetent
in communicating they have no business in the telecommunications
business."
If you cannot communicate your ideas and intentions to bright young
women who make policy decisions and influence consumer and voter
opinion, who have no intentions of learning your trade -- your "trade"
is not one. If the archetect says to the "homeowner" you do not
understand flying buttresses, greenboard and concepts of weight
bearing so you cannot understand the home -- he will be poor and
hungry very quickly. Lawyers do not have Bar Associations to learn how
to treat each other better (well maybe bad example)
You get my point. Please consider my intent and approach as to how to
make the TLDA more accessible to consumers. They may not need to
participate but they do need to understand.
/From reading it, I get the impression this club is only for
brainiacs and sophisticated computer engineering folk./
That is why a non-technically oriented TLD Holder may, at their
pleasure, designate someone to be the TLDA Member representing their
TLD. It was understood a long time ago that it is often the case that
when an idea is a great idea, a savvy businessperson will employ
someone with the true ability to launch a product, to launch their
product. It is often the case that the savvy businessperson is the
money person, and the brainiac that makes it all work has no
independent command of the resources needed to support the business
infrastructure.
XXXXXXX
But then you got bupkiss for interfacing with the world. You up
there!! Can you hear me from your ivory tower that controls all
internet communications???
/Sorry but you are suggesting that you effect millions of
dotcommoners and leaving them out of the founding documents makes
you little more than the stakeholderless ICANN./
Network Solutions, as the TLD Holder for .COM, is very welcome to
Join TLDA anytime they choose to. We also accept Sponsoring
memberships from businesses and individuals that support the TLDA
mission.
XXXXXX
How can they possibly support that which you cannot help them to
understand?? I am sorry but the kind of engineering folks that you
want to limit yourselves to, do not go around sticking their cash in
the hands of do gooders. You want philanthropy from the individual,
institutional or professional quarters you ain't gonna get it this
way. "I can't tell you what we are doing in plain English but will you
donate?" Dream on brother. And if you want political supportive
policies, forget getting that because you are smart.
Remember, it is the business products (whether commercial or
non-commercial - it is still a business product if registrations are
offered to the public or implemented on an a companies corporate
Intranet) of our members and other TLD Holders that affect millions
of dotcommers - in this case, if you are referring to dotcommers who
have registered SLDs under the .COM TLD, then it is Network
Solutions' business product that is affecting millions of dotcommers ;)
The business products of our members and non-member TLD Holders
alike; to wit: TLDs, do affect millions of ISP subscribers who access
the Internet via their subscriptions with their respective ISPs,
however. For that reason, we have both flexible and non-flexible
standards for membership in the TLDA, to ensure that our members, at
the very least, are capable of actually operating a TLD and providing
a stable and permanent name space for those Internet subscribers, as
well as their respective ISPs, who themselves subscribe to the
Internet via their upstream providers of Internet service or via
peering arrangements with other service providers.
// It is my hope that you can accept me and my expertise as I wholly
rely on you and yours.
Oh, you are VERY welcome Hugh :) We value your input and observations.
It is my belief that you want to do the right thing, but I know you
do not know how to express it -- legalese aside. Technical
engineering expertise is not something that is innate. You must work
hard and study to be good at it. Likewise, thinking abstractly and
in a manner that is logical and inclusive is not innate, you must
work and work and study to become even satisfactory at it. Why do we
accept this in the engineering but assume anyone can do it in the
logical thinking arena?
Yes, but again, our target industry and audience is the brainiacs ;)
_Cogito Ergo Sum_ is not intended to be a placebo.
// <snippage>
>
In the post you received in your inbox posted by John on 31 May 2009
at appx 22:42hrs.
0r you can get it from the member's list archives Here:
http://tldainc.org/pipermail/members_tldainc.org/2009-June/001266.html
Your looking for the attachment to the post which is below:
http://tldainc.org/pipermail/members_tldainc.org/attachments/20090601/5490a90b/attachment-0001.doc
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> > John Palmer wrote:
>
> Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 5:43 PM
>
> Hugh - This organization will rise and fall on whether we get
> people to participate in a positive way to build the
organization into
> something that is credible and of value to the community.
> We are trying to offer an alternative vision to the one
that ICANN
> presents.
> The start to that is the core document that describes how
the
> Compliance Committee vettes TLD instances for the reccommended
list.
> Might I suggest, if you want to help out, that you lend a
hand
> cleaning this up. I'm no lawyer, I just wrote it from a policy
> perspective.
> I'm sure it would get howls of laughs from even first year law
> students.
> Just a suggestion
> Thanks in advance for any support that you decide to give
us.
> John
> all snippeded>
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