Hello, everybody! I personally don't see this particular wording in German law as very problematic. Sure, it would be nice to have it written otherwise, but is it a priority issue? Definitely not!
If we ever got the chance it without a fight, I would simply go for changing the perspective to the one of the building. Something like buildings/plots/statutes that are permanently located in/at parks, streets and squares. This way drones or pictures from aircrafts won't be problematic. Of course "parks, streets and squares" is not exhaustive enough, but you get my point. Dimi 2016-06-01 16:31 GMT+02:00 L.Gelauff <[email protected]>: > Hi Raul, > > Changing the topic, as this becomes a quite specific discussion. > > What would be the better definition in your opinion? The burden of proof > is always on the copyright holder, I'd think. But somehow, you need to > define what is this 'panorama'. What you could see from a public space, is > one definition. What is yours? > > Lodewijk > > 2016-06-01 14:20 GMT+02:00 Raul Veede <[email protected]>: > >> Hi. >> >> Has there been any discussion about possibly (re)opening the question of >> the clause limiting FoP that demands that the pictures should be taken >> _from_ a public place? It could be argued this creates complications for >> businesses (as clearly demonstrated by the Hundertwasser case) and has >> potential for unlimited amount of uncertainty (the place where the >> photographer stood usually remains unseen on the picture itself, so the >> legality is hard to determine afterwords, especially on the Internet, e.g. >> on Commons). Most jurisdictions with FoP can get very well by without such >> a clause, and it is hard to see what benefit it creates for the public, or >> actually even for any private rightsholders. >> >> Best, >> >> Raul, >> working on FoP in Estonia >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:57 PM, John Hendrik Weitzmann < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> @Jens: Thx for the warm welcome. The settling in is not quite done yet. >>> I'm still watching/learning and trying to tend to urgent things on the way. >>> The justice ministry is high on the meeting agenda, a direct contact to the >>> head of their copyright unit exists. Their ideas and initiatives around >>> exceptions & limitations definitely touch on Wikiprojects. Any concrete >>> suggestions welcome. Main items on this year's WMDE work plan regarding >>> lawmaking are public works, freedom of panorama, database directive and >>> ancillary publichers right, the three last of which happen mainly on the EU >>> level as yet. >>> >>> Best >>> John >>> >>> >>> 2016-06-01 8:01 GMT+02:00 Mathias Schindler <[email protected] >>> >: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Jens Best <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > I heard that the German ministry of justice is reevaluating the >>>> > "Schrankenregeln" (kind of the German version of fair use) as one >>>> aspect of >>>> > this year's copyright laws reevaluation. Wouldn't that be a possible >>>> focus >>>> > which relates to the volunteer work of the Wikiprojects? >>>> >>>> a more precise translation of Schrankenregeln is "limitations and >>>> exceptions" in copyright. EU member states can implement exceptions >>>> listed in the InfoSoc Directive, they are not allowed to implement >>>> exceptions not listed there. The current German government has >>>> announced to adjust certain exceptions dealing with education. Other >>>> than that, the introduction of a fair use clause in German copyright >>>> would require some legislation on the EU level* >>>> >>>> Mathias >>>> >>>> >>>> * (Martin Senftleben is slightly more optimistic here >>>> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1959554) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Publicpolicy mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Referent für Politik und Recht >>> Legal and Policy Advisor >>> >>> Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin >>> Tel. +49 (0)30 219 158 26-0 >>> http://wikimedia.de >>> >>> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen >>> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! >>> http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ >>> >>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. >>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter >>> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für >>> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Publicpolicy mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Publicpolicy mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Publicpolicy mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy > >
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