Hi Lisette and Teresa
Congratulations on a great campaign and thanks for sharing it on this list!
I really like the approach and am very curious about the forthcoming case
studies.
I appreciate that you set expectations right ("EU copyright reform won’t
fix it all.") and give best practice examples of norms that are actually in
effect.
Best,
Jan
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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Teresa Nobre <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hi Raul,
>
> If you wait 2 more days, you can read the 10-page report that I prepared
> on the Portuguese study.
> As you will see, public interiors is not an issue in Portugal, because we
> have a broad definition of public space elsewhere in the Portuguese
> Copyright Code. The fact that this is a relatively abstract norm (with a
> wording very similar to the InfoSoc), only raises interpretation issues
> with regards to the purposes. But the fact that the norm doesn't exclude a
> priory commercial purposes can only be seen as a positive thing. The rest
> of the concepts (e.g. "use", "works") are defined in other norms, so they
> are not vague at all.
>
> Thanks,
> Teresa
>
>
>
> 2016-06-06 15:01 GMT+01:00 Raul Veede <[email protected]>:
>
>> Well, Estonian FoP was today discussed in the Parliamentary Committee of
>> Culture, and we're hoping to present the case in the Committee of European
>> Affairs in close days.
>>
>> The Portuguese scenario has at least three weaknesses I can identify
>> (I've written about it in short in a comment on your blog post, and in
>> length to Teresa Nobre personally; to count quickly, it leaves unclear the
>> situations with public interiors and several types of works, and prescribes
>> provisions so vague that every politician would be proud to include such
>> language in their election program) and if it were adopted in Estonia, we
>> would actually lose some territory that is currently covered by NC FoP and
>> by the draft bill I wrote would become also free commercially.
>>
>> So please excuse me but we're in a bit of a hurry here yet would still be
>> greatly interested in reasons for going backwards.
>>
>> Also, my experience shows it is hard to get Communia to respond to
>> anything. You don't exactly try to communicate with people who comment on
>> your blog or FB, and your posts have a constant lack of references and
>> analysis. If you're saying you are recommending the best scenarios without
>> having any analysis to back up your recommendations yet, it sounds,
>> unfortunately, believable. Care to disprove my cynicism?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Raul
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Lisette Kalshoven <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Raul,
>>>
>>> The supporting documents (with full legal analysis) will be published
>>> when we share the individual scenario’s over the next 3-4 weeks. This is
>>> just us announcing the series. So stay tuned :)
>>>
>>> With kind regards
>>>
>>> Lisette
>>>
>>> --
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>>> @lnkalshoven | skype: lisette.kalshoven
>>>
>>> On 06 Jun 2016, at 15:46, Raul Veede <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Your proposal of the Portuguese scenario as a good example for adopting
>>> across Europe made me wondering what might be the reasoning behind that.
>>> In the piece published today you only count the examples but do not offer
>>> any analysis, proof, or legal reasons. Would you be so nice and expand it
>>> beyond pure rhetorics?
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Raul
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Lisette Kalshoven <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>>>
>>>> Today at Communia we’re launching the Best Case Scenarios for Copyright
>>>> <http://www.communia-association.org/bcs-copyright/> series, to
>>>> promote great solutions such as user-friendly copyright limitations. They
>>>> work in some EU countries and we want to talk about making them (and other
>>>> good ones) mandatory for the whole EU. It would be great if you could
>>>> promote the message via social media and any other communication with your
>>>> partners.
>>>>
>>>> Today we introduce the idea for the campaign and on Wednesday we will
>>>> publish the first case. Today’s post may be found here
>>>> <http://www.communia-association.org/2016/06/06/bcs-copyright/> and
>>>> Communia TT is here
>>>> <https://twitter.com/communia_eu/status/739782579952443392>.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Lisette Kalshoven
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kennisland | www.kennisland.nl | t +31205756720 | m +31613943237 |
>>>> @lnkalshoven | skype: lisette.kalshoven
>>>>
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