Julien, thanks for the quick reply! :)
> > Take Buzz as an example.. At PostRank we had the "firehose" even prior > > to the "real firehose" by actively crawling Google's sitemap (public), > > identifying users with Buzz feeds, and subscribing to their individual > > PSHB feeds. It was painful, and not very efficient, but it worked and > > did not violate any TOS. In effect, it was an artificial barrier - > > granted, there may be a reason why you might want to make it hard to > > get at this data, but the point is, outsiders are still able to do it. > > And publishers can still block them! In the superfeedr approach, we use the > publisher callback for each and _every_ subscription made to the hub. The > rules are up to the publishers. Some of them will accept blindly any > subscription, some others will limit the number of subscriptions to a given > host/domain... etc. Yes, of course, and that's fine. > In the case of Posterous, same logic applies. I could run a crawler, > > > go gather all the RSS feeds, and call it a day. I'm not violating any > > TOS, as much as I'm jumping over a technical barrier. If anything, > > this is flawed thinking on the part of the distributor of those RSS > > feeds. > > Yes you could. I'm not sure about the TOS part though. And no matter what, > it's likely that they will block you when they start seeing a massive amount > of subscriptions if they're not confident that you're doing a "fair-use" of > their data. > The same will apply if you start polling them too aggressively. Technically, it's their users data, but we won't go down that rabbit hole. ;-) > THIS IS WRONG! I'm writing this in bold because I can't accept that anyone > would miss it. You can obviously get the content from Tumblr, Posterous, > Gowalla, Typepad or any hub we host for free, and without a superfeedr > account, exactly like you do for the Google hub! > I know you and I know that you can't be ill-intentioned, so I think we have > communication work to do. Just to be sure : > > THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE FOR SUBSCRIBERS BETWEEN A SUPERFEEDR HOSTED HUB AND > THE GOOGLE HUB. Awesome! Thanks for clarifying this. I was under the impression that as a consumer of your Hub, I actually needed some "superfeedr credits". To be honest, that part was always a bit vague in my mind, because I didn't really understand how you would monitor that if someone just came in and subscribed to any PSHB enabled feed on posterous. I maybe the odd lame duck in this case, but perhaps something you could/should make more clear on your homepage. cheers, ig > > On Nov 17, 6:13 pm, Julien Genestoux <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Hello everybody, > > > > Today, twice I've had talks with people who assumed that by default all > > the > > > data available via PubSubHubbub was expected to be free and accessible by > > > any one for any purpose. > > > I think this is a 'wrong' idea and it doesn't serve us very well, so I > > wrote > > > a blog post about it :http://blog.superfeedr.com/not-a-license/ > > > > I think it's awesome that so many services, like Buzz grant an almost > > > unlimited and full access to all their data, but I think we (and maybe > > > anyone advocating) should make sure that we do not give the idea that by > > > implementing PubSubHubbub people give away their data and any rights > > around > > > it. > > > > Any feedback is much appreciated! Has anyone bumped into the same > > > mis-understanding? or worse, had them? > > > > Julien
