On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Julien Genestoux < [email protected]> wrote:
> Jeff, please do share your feelings. Help us make PubSubHubbub better! > Bob, obviously pubsubhubub should be less about blogging and/or news. I > started a thread about supporting any kind of arbitrary data, and this is > what I had in mind as a way to suppoty any kind of content, and any type of > updates (with our without payload). > To this point, my main feeling is that, yes, PSHB is focused too much on content. While I think this is useful (as its been the primary use case), it's not a wide enough net to really have critical mass as a project. I originally thought it was good that it was very focused and didn't solve *my* particular problems. I also thought it was good it focused on a tangible goal of making feeds more realtime. However, I think time has shown it was not enough to be a big enough deal to sustain momentum as a project. The problem is that this general problem PSHB solves has many different views/perspectives/languages. For example, it can be message oriented and talk about pubsub. Or it can be event oriented and talk about events etc (the perspective used by Phil and them). Or it can even be thought of as callbacks or hooks (webhooks). There are other similar concepts with different language as well: updates/notifications, observers, etc. The two main ones seem to be events vs messages/pubsub, and I'm not sure which one is generally consider more general than the other. Ultimately, technically, they're more or less the same thing, but I think the framing makes a *big* difference. Anyway, that's the start of my ideas around this. -jeff > > Julien > > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Bob Wyman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The site http://www.mostlybaked.com/ provides a number of quick sketches >> of applications that are things that I personally think should work well >> over PSHB if the focus of PSHB became less about blogging and more about >> the general case of publishing and subscribing to streams of data on the >> Internet. Also, Phil often talks about the kinds of things that he'd like >> to do with the EventedAPI on his blog. ex: >> http://www.windley.com/archives/2011/11/personal_event_networks_and_value.shtml >> >> bob wyman >> >> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Wyman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> See: http://www.eventedapi.org/spec >>> >>> As we consider what can be done to move PubSubHubbub forward, it might >>> make sense to take a look at some other protocols that folk have defined to >>> determine if there is anything in them that PubSubHubbub should be >>> implemented or if they do things better that PSHB does. The folk at Kynetx ( >>> http://apps.kynetx.com/) have been building up a PSHB-like system for >>> some time now... I'm not sure I understand why PSHB wouldn't, in fact, >>> serve their needs. >>> >>> bob wyman >>> >>> >>> >> > -- Jeff Lindsay http://progrium.com
