On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Jesse Wolfe wrote: > > This is really weird. It seems I can say the most absurd things today and > people will take me quite seriously. If only I could figure out to harness > this new found power... > > Are you certain that you're not the one taking my joke seriously? > > That's why I'm suggesting we provide some way of indicating which files we > consider "managed" for the purpose of this ral operation; either that or we > should eliminate the analogous functionality of "ralsh host", "ralsh user", > "ralsh package" etc. > > We don't, yet, have a persistent notion of "managed" - it only exists for the > duration of a puppet run. I'd like to see that change, but it's beyond the > scope of this bug. > > > My objection is to the rule being "we can discover resources unless there > might be more than some arbitrary number of them in which we get serious > about not talking about unmanaged resources." Or, to put it another way, how > would you feel if the find command refused to enumerate all the files on your > system because there might be too many of them? > > We already make judgment calls what to list or not, based upon some intuition > of "usefulness". It would be possible for "ralsh package" to list all > *absent* packages that are listed in your repository, but instead it only > lists things that have been installed. > Until we expand ralsh to take parameters, I think that the only useful > behaviors for `ralsh file` are "not implemented" or "files in the root > directory"
I think Markus's point is very valid, and IMO this aspect of Puppet's performance limitations essentially critically limit its usefulness. I'd love to see Puppet performant enough to have it recursively search for all files (and all packages, etc.) without being dramatically worse performing than 'find'. And, of course, I'd like the system to actually support doing so. :) And FTR, ralsh does take parameters. Try running this on your laptop: sudo ralsh user jesse ensure=absent :) -- My definition of an expert in any field is a person who knows enough about what's really going on to be scared. -- P. J. Plauger --------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kanies -|- http://puppetlabs.com -|- +1(615)594-8199 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-dev?hl=en.
