aggaz said : > > > You might be dispapointed here, after some long discussions and > various > > tests, we decided to move to Ubuntu as well. > > Ok, now I'm really frustrated... :) > I respect your decision, but I would to know why you have make that > decision. > I'm asking this because I really like your projects and I... "care" > about it. :) > I just moved to Debian thinking to "dive into the addictive > GNU/Linux word of FLOSS"! >
hehe, well nothing really impedes that decision and I think if you try again you might find it to be very suitable for the kind of purposes you describe, regardless whether its Debian or Ubuntu, while I'll maintain that Ubuntu is even more suitable for this (for the reasons mentioned ... one being more recent and Desktop oriented than the other etc etc...). I think that the reasons are simple, at least from the POV of the maintainers and developers who do the work, but also those who depend on a certain set of features. > As you know, I don't like Ubuntu but let me explain why; > Yes is a Debian, it's easy to use, can easily talk with a lot of > hardware, but all these cool things make it very slow. > Please don't think that I'm speaking of something I don't know, I > used Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu and UbuntuStudio for some time and I > installed it on a lot of boxes, and every time the stability of the > system has show an "expiration date" of about 6 mounts. > And I've found even difficult to make "extreme" things such change > DesktopManager, but maybe this is only an apt problem. I wasn't > really free with that distro, so I don't like it. > But what I really don't understand is: Why make another pro-audio > distro ubuntu based? Aren't UbuntuStudio and 64studio enough? No, to be honest, they are not. If everything was already there why would we bother? For instance, there is no decent liveCD/USB/HDD distro out there at the moment (that could change quickly though!), ubuntu-studio is known for distributing kernels that don't work well (I say this purely based on my own experience with them and the diffs I made to our own kernel configs ;) and lots of packages that the puredyne community values are not in ubuntu/debian or scattered across peoples person archives. This all is not really about the fact that there is something that is vaguely the same as what we're doing but about bridgin the gap between what we need for our own work (not necessarily "pro-audio" anyways, but also werid little cool important apps) and the end-user support that is really valuable for saving time. I personally don't really see the expiration date for mounts, that could have various reasons which are hard to cover here.. the main point is that *if* you feel you can handle purdyne based on Debian - you can definitely handle puredyne based on ubuntu. > > > The reason why > > these distro's (and puredyne too!) are moving to Ubuntu is because > of a > > number of reasons, but mostly because a) nobody likes to replicate > work of > > others because b) people are lazy and c) people that use a distro for > > desktop usage usually want the latest features available to them, > which is > > why Ubuntu has a much more accelerated release cycle. > > Have you ever considered to use another kind of base system like, > for example ArchLinux? I was able to make a very simply arch based > livecd with little effort using the larch scripts. > Changing the base system means no work replications, (yeah you have > to do some package you've probably already make for debian, but in > that case you will improve the arch's package pool that is not > overflooded like the debian's packages pool, so I don't see work > replication) and arch is stable, usable, and is a rolling distro, so > the packages are always new. we have when we made the initial switch to Debian. To make another complete switch to Arch or Gentoo or whatever would have been crazy and foolish to be honest, as all our work to package the softwares we like would have been lost, whereas now we only have to port those packages to ubuntu, which is really easy. -- karsten gebbert -- krgn.goto10.org
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