wow, must be a bad week: Uptime 169980 Message Count 572 Failed Message Count 4 Failed Avatar Count 251 Total Users 16 Online Users 2 Avatar Count 9
I should probably run the transport with stdout redirected to a file so that there's stuff for you to debug with. On 03/10/05, James Bunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > :) > > Also, keep in mind that avatars are only transferred once. So if you > already have the avatar of your friends cached, then their won't be any > avatar transfers. However if it failed the first time (eg, because the > person is using Gaim), then it will fail next time. That could give you > a higher number of failures than successes. > > The stats fix stops failed avatar transfers from being counted more > than once. > > --- > > James > > > > On 03/10/2005, at 10:54 PM, Norman Rasmussen wrote: > > > /me repairs brain and adds -r avatars > > > > On 03/10/05, Norman Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> nope, I'm sure that 90% of the people on my list are using latest > >> offical MSN client. The only thing I could think of was that there's > >> no direct connection allowed from transport to the clients. > >> > >> cvs update is not my friend, it just deleted msnp2p.py > >> > >> On 03/10/05, James Bunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Yikes. The only thing I can think of is that everybody you talk to on > >>> MSN uses Gaim :) > >>> > >>> PyMSNt still can't do avatars with the current stable version of > >>> Gaim, > >>> although it does work with Gaim CVS, and so presumably the next > >>> release. > >>> > >>> Oops. Having said that, please check out CVS. I've just fixed the > >>> counter for failed avatars :) > >>> > >>> --- > >>> > >>> James > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 03/10/2005, at 9:00 PM, Norman Rasmussen wrote: > >>> > >>>> Uptime 166440 > >>>> Message Count 412 > >>>> Failed Message Count 0 > >>>> Failed Avatar Count 150 > >>>> Total Users 15 > >>>> Online Users 2 > >>>> Avatar Count 161 > >>>> > >>>> avatars$ find -xtype f | wc -l > >>>> 1230 > >>>> avatars$ du -s . > >>>> 30676 . > >>>> > >>>> I'm worried as to why the Failed Avatar Count is so high (over 90%) > >>>> and other people seem to have a fairly low count. One reason for > >>>> this > >>>> could be because: > >>>> 1) transport is behind DMZ NAT firewall > >>>> 2) transport can't connect directly to clients (used by my > >>>> colleagues) > >>>> inside corporate firewall, even though they're both 10.* networks. > >>>> > >>>> Thoughts? > >>>> > >>>> On 10/08/05, Daniel D?az <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> Hello! > >>>>> > >>>>> More statistics from our server, running for some days now. > >>>>> > >>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt > >>>>> Uptime: 493320 > >>>>> Message Count: 113888 > >>>>> Failed Message Count: 1664 > >>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 1728 > >>>>> Total Users: 3144 > >>>>> Online Users: 61 > >>>>> Avatar Count: 8570 > >>>>> > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ls -1 | wc -l > >>>>> 44984 > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ du -sk . > >>>>> 940500 . > >>>>> > >>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ > >>>>> > >>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak > >>>>> somewhere > >>>>> on Monday was 20.40, for instance.) > >>>>> > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ps aux | grep PyMSNt | grep -v grep > >>>>> root 693 1.4 18.0 88292 46228 ? Ds Aug04 117:47 > >>>>> PyMSNt main.py > >>>>> > >>>>> Greetings! > >>>>> > >>>>> Daniel D?az > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 7/18/05, James Bunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> Thanks :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It looks like the memory usage isn't too bad after all. > >>>>>> 30MB for 62 users, after 5 days looks good :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> James > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 19/07/2005, at 5:16 AM, Daniel D?az wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> More statistics from our server, running for 5 and a half days. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt > >>>>>>> Uptime: 482041 > >>>>>>> Message Count: 122325 > >>>>>>> Failed Message Count: 1408 > >>>>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 1575 > >>>>>>> Total Users: 2673 > >>>>>>> Online Users: 62 > >>>>>>> Avatar Count: 9496 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ls -1 | wc -l > >>>>>>> 21690 > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ du -sk . > >>>>>>> 450976 . > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak right > >>>>>>> now > >>>>>>> is around 16.00, for instance.) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ps aux | grep PyMSNt | grep -v grep > >>>>>>> root 6431 1.4 11.4 91404 29468 ? Ds Jul13 119:31 > >>>>>>> PyMSNt main.py > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Greetings! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Daniel D?az > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 7/12/05, Daniel D?az <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Hello! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Here are some more statistics from our server, running for over > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> week now. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt > >>>>>>>> Uptime: 607140 > >>>>>>>> Message Count: 150777 > >>>>>>>> Failed Message Count: 2211 > >>>>>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 2556 > >>>>>>>> Total Users: 3948 > >>>>>>>> Online Users: 24 > >>>>>>>> Avatar Count: 13498 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ls -1 | wc -l > >>>>>>>> 15678 > >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ du -sk . > >>>>>>>> 325048 . > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak from > >>>>>>>> last Tuesday is 21.2, for instance.) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Greetings! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Daniel D?az > >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 7/7/05, Daniel D?az <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Hello! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here are some statistics from our server, running since Monday: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt > >>>>>>>>> Uptime: 166501 > >>>>>>>>> Message Count: 60420 > >>>>>>>>> Failed Message Count: 597 > >>>>>>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 806 > >>>>>>>>> Total Users: 1578 > >>>>>>>>> Online Users: 64 > >>>>>>>>> Avatar Count: 5218 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ls -1 | wc -l > >>>>>>>>> 10914 > >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ du -sk . > >>>>>>>>> 226404 . > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak from > >>>>>>>>> Tuesday is 21.2, for instance.) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Greetings! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Daniel D?az > >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 7/4/05, Daniel D?az <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Hello! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> These are the stats for our server, from the last 16 hours: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt > >>>>>>>>>> Uptime: 55380 > >>>>>>>>>> Message Count: 28394 > >>>>>>>>>> Failed Message Count: 315 > >>>>>>>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 710 > >>>>>>>>>> Total Users: 674 > >>>>>>>>>> OnlineUsers: 26 > >>>>>>>>>> Avatar Count: 4706 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> linux avatars # ls -1 | wc -l > >>>>>>>>>> 6138 > >>>>>>>>>> linux avatars # du -sk . > >>>>>>>>>> 126624 . > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak > >>>>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>>> must > >>>>>>>>>> have been around 11.0.) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Greetings! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Daniel D?az > >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> py-transports mailing list > >>>>> py-transports@blathersource.org > >>>>> http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> - Norman Rasmussen > >>>> - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> py-transports mailing list > >>>> py-transports@blathersource.org > >>>> http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> py-transports mailing list > >>> py-transports@blathersource.org > >>> http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> - Norman Rasmussen > >> - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ > >> > > > > > > -- > > - Norman Rasmussen > > - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ > > _______________________________________________ > > py-transports mailing list > > py-transports@blathersource.org > > http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports > > > > _______________________________________________ > py-transports mailing list > py-transports@blathersource.org > http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports > -- - Norman Rasmussen - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 5 13:10:21 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Bunton) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:10:31 2005 Subject: [py-transports] Re: Stats In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Did you do that CVS update? --- James On 05/10/2005, at 10:11 PM, Norman Rasmussen wrote: > wow, must be a bad week: > > Uptime 169980 > Message Count 572 > Failed Message Count 4 > Failed Avatar Count 251 > Total Users 16 > Online Users 2 > Avatar Count 9 > > I should probably run the transport with stdout redirected to a file > so that there's stuff for you to debug with. > > On 03/10/05, James Bunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> :) >> >> Also, keep in mind that avatars are only transferred once. So if you >> already have the avatar of your friends cached, then their won't be >> any >> avatar transfers. However if it failed the first time (eg, because the >> person is using Gaim), then it will fail next time. That could give >> you >> a higher number of failures than successes. >> >> The stats fix stops failed avatar transfers from being counted more >> than once. >> >> --- >> >> James >> >> >> >> On 03/10/2005, at 10:54 PM, Norman Rasmussen wrote: >> >>> /me repairs brain and adds -r avatars >>> >>> On 03/10/05, Norman Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> nope, I'm sure that 90% of the people on my list are using latest >>>> offical MSN client. The only thing I could think of was that >>>> there's >>>> no direct connection allowed from transport to the clients. >>>> >>>> cvs update is not my friend, it just deleted msnp2p.py >>>> >>>> On 03/10/05, James Bunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> Yikes. The only thing I can think of is that everybody you talk to >>>>> on >>>>> MSN uses Gaim :) >>>>> >>>>> PyMSNt still can't do avatars with the current stable version of >>>>> Gaim, >>>>> although it does work with Gaim CVS, and so presumably the next >>>>> release. >>>>> >>>>> Oops. Having said that, please check out CVS. I've just fixed the >>>>> counter for failed avatars :) >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 03/10/2005, at 9:00 PM, Norman Rasmussen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Uptime 166440 >>>>>> Message Count 412 >>>>>> Failed Message Count 0 >>>>>> Failed Avatar Count 150 >>>>>> Total Users 15 >>>>>> Online Users 2 >>>>>> Avatar Count 161 >>>>>> >>>>>> avatars$ find -xtype f | wc -l >>>>>> 1230 >>>>>> avatars$ du -s . >>>>>> 30676 . >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm worried as to why the Failed Avatar Count is so high (over >>>>>> 90%) >>>>>> and other people seem to have a fairly low count. One reason for >>>>>> this >>>>>> could be because: >>>>>> 1) transport is behind DMZ NAT firewall >>>>>> 2) transport can't connect directly to clients (used by my >>>>>> colleagues) >>>>>> inside corporate firewall, even though they're both 10.* networks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/08/05, Daniel D?az <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More statistics from our server, running for some days now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt >>>>>>> Uptime: 493320 >>>>>>> Message Count: 113888 >>>>>>> Failed Message Count: 1664 >>>>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 1728 >>>>>>> Total Users: 3144 >>>>>>> Online Users: 61 >>>>>>> Avatar Count: 8570 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ls -1 | wc -l >>>>>>> 44984 >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ du -sk . >>>>>>> 940500 . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak >>>>>>> somewhere >>>>>>> on Monday was 20.40, for instance.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ps aux | grep PyMSNt | grep -v grep >>>>>>> root 693 1.4 18.0 88292 46228 ? Ds Aug04 117:47 >>>>>>> PyMSNt main.py >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daniel D?az >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/18/05, James Bunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Thanks :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It looks like the memory usage isn't too bad after all. >>>>>>>> 30MB for 62 users, after 5 days looks good :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19/07/2005, at 5:16 AM, Daniel D?az wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More statistics from our server, running for 5 and a half days. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt >>>>>>>>> Uptime: 482041 >>>>>>>>> Message Count: 122325 >>>>>>>>> Failed Message Count: 1408 >>>>>>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 1575 >>>>>>>>> Total Users: 2673 >>>>>>>>> Online Users: 62 >>>>>>>>> Avatar Count: 9496 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ls -1 | wc -l >>>>>>>>> 21690 >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ du -sk . >>>>>>>>> 450976 . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak >>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>> is around 16.00, for instance.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ps aux | grep PyMSNt | grep -v grep >>>>>>>>> root 6431 1.4 11.4 91404 29468 ? Ds Jul13 >>>>>>>>> 119:31 >>>>>>>>> PyMSNt main.py >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Greetings! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Daniel D?az >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/12/05, Daniel D?az <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here are some more statistics from our server, running for >>>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> week now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt >>>>>>>>>> Uptime: 607140 >>>>>>>>>> Message Count: 150777 >>>>>>>>>> Failed Message Count: 2211 >>>>>>>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 2556 >>>>>>>>>> Total Users: 3948 >>>>>>>>>> Online Users: 24 >>>>>>>>>> Avatar Count: 13498 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ls -1 | wc -l >>>>>>>>>> 15678 >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ du -sk . >>>>>>>>>> 325048 . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak >>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> last Tuesday is 21.2, for instance.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Daniel D?az >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/05, Daniel D?az <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here are some statistics from our server, running since >>>>>>>>>>> Monday: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt >>>>>>>>>>> Uptime: 166501 >>>>>>>>>>> Message Count: 60420 >>>>>>>>>>> Failed Message Count: 597 >>>>>>>>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 806 >>>>>>>>>>> Total Users: 1578 >>>>>>>>>>> Online Users: 64 >>>>>>>>>>> Avatar Count: 5218 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ ls -1 | wc -l >>>>>>>>>>> 10914 >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] avatars $ du -sk . >>>>>>>>>>> 226404 . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday is 21.2, for instance.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Greetings! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Daniel D?az >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/05, Daniel D?az <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> These are the stats for our server, from the last 16 hours: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics for PyMSNt >>>>>>>>>>>> Uptime: 55380 >>>>>>>>>>>> Message Count: 28394 >>>>>>>>>>>> Failed Message Count: 315 >>>>>>>>>>>> Failed Avatar Count: 710 >>>>>>>>>>>> Total Users: 674 >>>>>>>>>>>> OnlineUsers: 26 >>>>>>>>>>>> Avatar Count: 4706 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> linux avatars # ls -1 | wc -l >>>>>>>>>>>> 6138 >>>>>>>>>>>> linux avatars # du -sk . >>>>>>>>>>>> 126624 . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/mrtg/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (Actual "Load average" is the number shown / 100. The peak >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>> have been around 11.0.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel D?az >>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> py-transports mailing list >>>>>>> py-transports@blathersource.org >>>>>>> http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - Norman Rasmussen >>>>>> - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> py-transports mailing list >>>>>> py-transports@blathersource.org >>>>>> http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> py-transports mailing list >>>>> py-transports@blathersource.org >>>>> http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - Norman Rasmussen >>>> - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Norman Rasmussen >>> - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> py-transports mailing list >>> py-transports@blathersource.org >>> http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> py-transports mailing list >> py-transports@blathersource.org >> http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports >> > > > -- > - Norman Rasmussen > - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ > _______________________________________________ > py-transports mailing list > py-transports@blathersource.org > http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports >
