:-) yes, unfortunatly sneakin hasn't really had time to migrate his changes from arch to darcs, which means that non of the mainline patches are making it to the muc build.
If I have time I'll look at starting to port sneakin's changes from arch to darcs. On 09/10/05, Steve Ramage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Norman Rasmussen wrote: > > > cvs is old, june was a long time ago. > > > > Were are you getting your psi builds from? You might want to use > > test2, it's very new. Alternativly use a darcs build, because > > that's what Psi have swapped to. > > Ironically I am getting my builds from: > http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/dl/psi/ > > Hmmmmmmm I want MUC support which the latest build is the June CVS build, > as per the other CVS build, its running fine and I am really to lazy > to bother to install it, since > I almost never use it now a days. > > Steve R > > _______________________________________________ > py-transports mailing list > py-transports@blathersource.org > http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports > -- - Norman Rasmussen - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 19:39:05 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oscar =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hellstr=F6m?=) Date: Sun Oct 9 19:39:16 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I vote for not changing the current behavior. The reson for proposing the change is somewhat strange. No client seem to read the Nickname from the v-card. Ok, I can understand this, since it's a temp JEP. On the other hand, I would not want the client to read the nickname since I favor to name my contacts according to their real names. MSN messenger is a strange phenomenon, and did until recently (?) not support status messages but only nicknames. So the users abused the nickname to write status messages and even love letters. Now days MSN messenger supports status messages while the users do not seem to use it. If the user does not write a status message, then we cannot show a status message. What Andreas is saying is that we know that most messenger users put the status in the nickname, so why not show that. Well, it's not a status message. And the clients, well, we can't just fool the client in to displaying (hopefully) the right message can we? The client should read the nickname and present it as a nickname. And if no one is interested in implementing it, we need to push for a permanent JEP on this, not trying to do a hack from the wrong side. As for PyMSN to have a non-standard behavior would not be to attack the problem, but the consequence, once again. So, make sure that the nickname will be/becomes a standard, and then implement a choice in the client as to what to show in the roster. -- Oscar Hellstr?m, [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: personal.oscarh.net jid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 52604556 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://modevia.com/pipermail/py-transports/attachments/20051009/25f6a7c8/attachment.pgp From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 19:46:43 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas van Cranenburgh) Date: Sun Oct 9 19:46:55 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 09:39:05PM +0200, Oscar Hellstr?m wrote: > What Andreas is saying is that we know that most messenger users put the > status in the nickname, so why not show that. Well, it's not a status > message. I really can't care less what all your opinions are on this matter, but you don't quote me correctly: - Of course aliases override nicknames of msn users, hell, those nicknames are annoying. - of course an msn nickname must clearly be presented as one, that's why I called for the following format for a status message for msn contacts: "[Personal message, if any] Nickname: [nickname, if any - else msn address]" The first line of the status message can then be displayed in a client in the roster view, so that you quickly see every user's status. The second line can then be consulted if you happen to be interested in their ugly msn nickname. > So, make sure that the nickname will be/becomes a standard, and then > implement a choice in the client as to what to show in the roster. Even if Jabber has a really impressive JEP for nicknames, I'll still stick to my aliases, and I'd only desire a feature to see it in a tooltip, just like I'd like this for MSN contacts. Gosh, can we now stop about this issue? It's only about some silly nicknames! Nikos is right to say we should take it to the standards-jig list if we are discussing the nickname feature of Jabber. What I'd prefer is to talk about MSN getting some new features, which are currently *missing* , instead of just represented incorrectly according to Jabber's JEPs etc. . . . . -- Andreas [ http://unstable.nl | xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ callto:ils.seconix.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://modevia.com/pipermail/py-transports/attachments/20051009/c1ac1352/attachment.pgp From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 19:48:16 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nikos Kouremenos) Date: Sun Oct 9 19:48:18 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 10/9/05, Oscar Hellstr?m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, make sure that the nickname will be/becomes a standard, and then > implement a choice in the client as to what to show in the roster. this means, one has to write a mail to JIG list where Jabber Protocol is being discussed -- Nikos Kouremenos | Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://members.hellug.gr/nkour From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 21:39:29 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nikos Kouremenos) Date: Sun Oct 9 21:39:31 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 10/9/05, Andreas van Cranenburgh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really can't care less what all your opinions are on this matter, but > you don't quote me correctly: everyone that read after that, can be considered retarted? if anyone is serious and calm he should write to the corrent ML. I stop replying -- Nikos Kouremenos | Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://members.hellug.gr/nkour From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 22:45:59 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman Rasmussen) Date: Sun Oct 9 22:46:01 2005 Subject: [py-transports] PyMSNt Questions In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve: If you pop over to my builds site, you might see a psi-muc build hiding in the list... I'm not sure if I exactly had time to migrate the patches, but it still happened. I really should be working on the Release TODO list, and not stuff that is going to change lots anyways :-) On 09/10/05, Norman Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > :-) > > yes, unfortunatly sneakin hasn't really had time to migrate his > changes from arch to darcs, which means that non of the mainline > patches are making it to the muc build. > > If I have time I'll look at starting to port sneakin's changes from > arch to darcs. > > On 09/10/05, Steve Ramage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Norman Rasmussen wrote: > > > > > cvs is old, june was a long time ago. > > > > > > Were are you getting your psi builds from? You might want to use > > > test2, it's very new. Alternativly use a darcs build, because > > > that's what Psi have swapped to. > > > > Ironically I am getting my builds from: > > http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/dl/psi/ > > > > Hmmmmmmm I want MUC support which the latest build is the June CVS build, > > as per the other CVS build, its running fine and I am really to lazy > > to bother to install it, since > > I almost never use it now a days. > > > > Steve R > > > > _______________________________________________ > > py-transports mailing list > > py-transports@blathersource.org > > http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports > > > > > -- > - Norman Rasmussen > - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ > -- - Norman Rasmussen - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 22:52:58 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas van Cranenburgh) Date: Sun Oct 9 22:53:07 2005 Subject: [py-transports] PyMSNt Questions In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 12:45:59AM +0200, Norman Rasmussen wrote: > Steve: If you pop over to my builds site, you might see a psi-muc > build hiding in the list... > > I'm not sure if I exactly had time to migrate the patches, but it > still happened. I really should be working on the Release TODO list, > and not stuff that is going to change lots anyways :-) As already expressed, I'm not so fond of Psi. Could you take this whole Psi discussion OFF LIST? -- Andreas [ http://unstable.nl | xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ callto:ils.seconix.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://modevia.com/pipermail/py-transports/attachments/20051010/c4e84112/attachment.pgp From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 23:33:50 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Henninger) Date: Sun Oct 9 23:33:55 2005 Subject: [py-transports] Psi and MSN Nicknames and bickering Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ok folk, this is getting ridiculous. I see no objection to Norman posting about building a recent Psi. There was an interest in a newer version to test with. Not that I use Psi under Windows, but I appreciate Norman trying to provide something for folk to test with. If you don't care about Psi, there's a nifty delete function in your E-Mail client. Use it. I don't understand why this nicknames discussion generated so much negative discussion. Seemed like a fairly reasonable thing to talk about myself. Looks like it was agreed that it's time to bring this up with the JIG, so go do it and stop picking fights here. In general, can we please try to be a little more civil? Everyone's entitled to their opinions. There is no need for this "your opinion is wrong" crap. Thanks. Your moderator, Daniel -- "The most addictive drug in the world is music." - The Lost Boyz
