Hi Miriam,
Looking at ibiblio.org <http://ibiblio.org>, it's talking about an
application process to host a 'collection' there ("A decision will be
made and you will be notified."). This sounds rather controlled for a
simple static site, and I'm concerned that it won't be as easy as we
want to update the site and for multiple people to work on it.
Clicking around the distros section, it looks like most distros host
downloads there but have a website somewhere else (so far, Fat Dog is
the only one I've found with web pages there). This suggests to me
that it's not ideal for hosting a website.
It's hard to put my finger on what's wrong with it, because clearly
you *can* host static web pages there. But looking around the
information pages and the Q&A site, I get a very strong feeling that
hosting there would involve a lot of time and hassle that I don't want.
Similarly for archive.org <http://archive.org>, I think it's intended
as... well, an archive! That's valuable, but it's not the problem
we're trying to solve.
Github pages is a very convenient way to host a website, and to
manage multiple people making changes to it. I know a lot of open
source projects whose websites are hosted this way. It does require
using git to update the site, and I'm sorry if that's difficult for
you, but it's a system that works well for a lot of people. None of
the arguments I've read so far provide a compelling reason /not/ to
host a site on Github, and the only option that I see as a reasonable
alternative is Gitlab, which presumably works in a very similar way
to Github.
> Is it possible to have something that is safe, but easy for newbies
to add games to a site?
I think it is, if we accept that it just needs to be 'safe enough'.
Automatically adding 'nofollow' on user provided links reduces its
value to spammers a lot. I believe Google's recaptcha tool does a
reasonable job of stopping bots. And if it's still not enough, we can
authenticate users and require an admin to approve a user's first
submission.
Thomas
On 23 December 2016 at 01:45, Miriam English <m...@miriam-english.org
<mailto:m...@miriam-english.org>> wrote:
The two repositories I mentioned, ibiblio.org <http://ibiblio.org>
and archive.org <http://archive.org> (I'm sure there are more)
have, as far as I know, no limits on storage.
Have a look, for instance at the amount stored for Puppy Linux at
ibiblio:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/
<http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/>
Each of those subdirectories you see relates to a different kind
of Puppy.
The packages directories contain programs specifically tailored
for a particular distribution of Puppy. The pet_packages-lucid
directory alone contains more than 10 Gigabytes of programs, and
there are more than 30 Puppy distros with associated package
collections.
The puppy-528 directory contains a couple of ISO CD images for
Puppy Lucid 528. It also contains an explanatory webpage:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-5.2.8/release-Lucid-528.htm
<http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-5.2.8/release-Lucid-528.htm>
Most of the main distro directories contain such a page.
There is lots more on ibiblio, as a quick wander around
http://distro.ibiblio.org/ will show.
They also have multiple mirrors around the world, so if one set of
servers has a problem others are available.
Cheers,
- Miriam
Charles Cossé wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Miriam English
<m...@miriam-english.org <mailto:m...@miriam-english.org>
<mailto:m...@miriam-english.org
<mailto:m...@miriam-english.org>>> wrote:
I don't see the point of using github for the web pages and
keeping the content elsewhere. I don't have a lot of
experience
using github (I find it a pain actually). Github is
intended as a
versioning system. That has no utility for a pygame
repository, as
far as I can see -- or at least no advantage over an
ordinary
repository built purely with that purpose in mind.
Wouldn't it be simpler to keep the whole thing in a
repository? I
mentioned 2 earlier: archive.org <http://archive.org>
<http://archive.org> and
ibiblio.org <http://ibiblio.org> <http://ibiblio.org>, both of
which are free and very
secure.
I can say a little bit that might help until someone with more
knowledge has time to reply ... With GitHub pages your website
is "just another" repo. That's the main thing I wanted to
point out. There are no storage limits, and I'm pretty sure
that GitHub would be happy to help pygame accomodation-wise if
pygame needed anything special (within reason). I also know
that there is a 4 gigabyte file limit on GitHub. (I know this
because I once wanted to host an 8G SD card image and had to
get it down to 4G in order to be housed on GitHub).
FWIW, I have also managed to run webapps on GitHub via GitHub
pages. For example
http://asymptopia.github.io/TuxMathScrabble-2015/
<http://asymptopia.github.io/TuxMathScrabble-2015/>.
And, not trying to direct traffic to my site or anything, but
here's my own site using GitHub pages:
https://asymptopia.github.io/
Best regards,
Charles
Cheers,
- Miriam
Thomas Kluyver wrote:
Thanks everyone for your input. In the interests of
making
progress, I'd like to propose:
- The informational site will be hosted on Github
pages; I've
used this for a number of websites before, it's
reliable, we
can point an external domain to it, and I imagine that
most of
the likely contributors have Github accounts already.
- The pages will be generated by a Python static site
generator. There doesn't seem to be a strong feeling
between
Sphinx/Nikola/Pelican, so it will likely depend on who
is most
excited to start building it.
- The game feed will also be generated from content in
Github,
so /at first/ developers will need to submit a PR to
add a
game. Once that's working, we can build a simpler
submission
interface on Heroku/Appengine/similar which can push
content
to Github. Ideally the data will be in a format which
would
could move elsewhere later if necessary.
I like the concept of drawing the game feed from an
external
source, but I don't think any of the sources proposed
match
what we want closely enough.
Does anybody object to any of those proposals?
Thanks,
Thomas
On 18 December 2016 at 20:18, Miriam English
<m...@miriam-english.org <mailto:m...@miriam-english.org>
<mailto:m...@miriam-english.org <mailto:m...@miriam-english.org>>
<mailto:m...@miriam-english.org <mailto:m...@miriam-english.org>
<mailto:m...@miriam-english.org
<mailto:m...@miriam-english.org>>>> wrote:
http://ibiblio.org is an enormous, free repository that also
lets
you have static webpages. Many of the Linux
distros are hosted
from there as well as much else too. I don't know
how
you'd set up
a comments system there. It may be possible.
http://archive.org is another gigantic free repository. They
already have a comments system built into their
pages. I don't
know how it works. It might be worth checking out.
Both these organisations are free and are aimed at
helping
make
content available to the community which might
otherwise
be lost.
You have complete control over the look of
webpages at
ibiblio.org <http://ibiblio.org> <http://ibiblio.org>
<http://ibiblio.org> because you simply upload static pages.
I don't know how much control over the look
archive.org <http://archive.org>
<http://archive.org>
<http://archive.org> provides because everything is dynamically
served from xml data, I think. It might be
possible to add
static
content, I don't know.
But both are free, permanently available, and have
excellent security.
Cheers,
- Miriam
Peter Shinners wrote:
Gitlab also has great static site support for
free,
and you
can use custom domains. They also make it easy
to run most
static generation tools as a CI job. Although
part of me
thinks just pushing the static content is
easiest. It
sounds
to me like there's a list of acceptable hosting
choices that
won't cost anything.
Keeping the games list as a feed from other
service sounds
like it has the best chance of working.
On 12/17/2016 10:51 PM, Lenard Lindstrom wrote:
Bitbucket also has static web site
support. I set
one up
for the Pygame docs awhile ago, but have not
maintained it:
http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/>
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/>>
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/>
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/>>>
The repository is here:
https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org>
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org>>
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org>
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org>>>
Lenard Lindstrom
On 16-12-17 09:16 PM, Daniel Foerster wrote:
You know, I suppose we could just use
GitHub
pages.
On Dec 17, 2016 17:32, "Charles Cossé"
<cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>>>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>>>>>
wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:12 PM,
Daniel
Foerster
<pydsig...@gmail.com <mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com>
<mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com <mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com <mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com>
<mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com <mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com>>>
<mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com <mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com>
<mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com <mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com <mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com>
<mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com <mailto:pydsig...@gmail.com>>>>>
wrote:
Using S3/CloudFront is a lot
cheaper
than the
EC2 setup you're
imagining (and which a Django
stack would
require).
I never said to use Amazon at
all. Just
use the
current server,
whatever it is (unless it's Amazon).
On 12/17/2016 05:11 PM,
Charles Cossé
wrote:
Yikes! who's gonna pay
the Amazon
bill?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at
4:09 PM, Paul
Vincent Craven
<p...@cravenfamily.com <mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com>
<mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com <mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com>>
<mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com <mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com>
<mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com <mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com>>>
<mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com <mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com>
<mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com <mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com>>
<mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com <mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com>
<mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com
<mailto:p...@cravenfamily.com>>>>> wrote:
If most of the site is
static,
then I
think Django would
be overkill. The static
portion of the
site can easily be
deployed via Amazon
S3/CloudFront and
then we'd not have
to maintain a server.
Paul Vincent Craven
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016
at 5:00 PM,
Charles Cossé
<cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>>>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>
<mailto:cco...@gmail.com <mailto:cco...@gmail.com>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17,
2016 at
3:26 PM,
Thomas Kluyver
<tak...@gmail.com <mailto:tak...@gmail.com>
<mailto:tak...@gmail.com <mailto:tak...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:tak...@gmail.com <mailto:tak...@gmail.com>
<mailto:tak...@gmail.com <mailto:tak...@gmail.com>>>
<mailto:tak...@gmail.com <mailto:tak...@gmail.com>
<mailto:tak...@gmail.com <mailto:tak...@gmail.com>>
<mailto:tak...@gmail.com <mailto:tak...@gmail.com>
<mailto:tak...@gmail.com <mailto:tak...@gmail.com>>>>> wrote:
So far, I
think the
proposals
for the static
information
part of
the site
are Nikola (a static
site generator
oriented around
blogs) and Sphinx
(oriented around
docs). Both
are written in
Python. Does
anyone
want to
make the case for any
other system?
Can Django
factor-in there? I
guess it would reside
underneathe the
other pkgs
... but
might as well run
Python
through-and-through
imho.
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