I am still using Carbon, since when I last tried not to, various obstacles
prevented it in each way I tried. (Details below if you're interested.)
This doesn't mean you can't kill it in 1.3, but it means I would just stick
to 1.2 from then on, at least until those obstacles go away. There might be
other users in that situation too, I don't know. (They might not know
either, since although deprecated, it doesn't actually print any warning
that a deprecated feature is being used.)

So if it's easy to keep the Carbon support code there, but stop testing it
(and document that fact), that might be more useful to more people. (And
then bug reports would tell you whether it's still actually being used.)
And if you want, you could make it print a deprecation warning (perhaps
with an option to turn that warning off, though I think that's not high
priority since people who need it can edit the code).

This is not a big deal to me whatever you do, as long as this support still
works in released 1.2, as you plan.

BTW, here are the details of why I use Carbon:

I often run pyglet code in 32-bit mode (using arch -i386 python, with
ActivePython 2.7.2.5 in Mac OS X 10.7.5), since I use some other python
libraries that require it (or at least did require it the last time I
updated them; I forget which libraries those are). This is using Carbon; if
I force it to use Cocoa by pyglet.options['darwin_cocoa'] = True, it fails
with ImportError: No module named Foundation". If I use 64-bit python it
fails with "Exception: pyglet requires PyObjC when run in 64-bit Python;
import objc failed", which means I didn't install an Objective C bridge
module. (I recall I tried to install it and failed, or it failed to work
properly, but I don't recall the details of that.)

- Bruce Smith


On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Tristam MacDonald <[email protected]>
wrote:

> We can kill Carbon support. It has never been supported on 64-bit, and
> it's deprecated regardless.
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 03:11, Rob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am not a Mac user, so I do not know much about the platform
>> requirements. Pyglet 1.2 includes cocoa support for OSX, do we still need
>> to keep the old carbon support? Or can we remove it in 1.3?
>>
>> Rob
>>
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