2012/3/2 lkcl luke <[email protected]> > (bcc'ing ben - again, because pyjamasdev's mailing software doesn't accept > cc's) > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Jeffrey Van Voorst > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Are you referring to a PHB that doesn't understand or cannot correctly > > answer how, what, when, where questions about his group's own > > software? :) > > that's not true, jeffrey :) the thing is that - luckily (thank > god), they _can_ actually articulate succinctly what the state of the > group's software is. > > much better than i can bloody well describe how it's _not_ doing the > job that's needed for pyjamas desktop [any more]. > > so i can clearly assess that they're not aware of the implications, > and don't know how their software can and is being used (successfully, > for a given value of success i.e. ok with xulrunner 1.9, 7 and 9 > success but bugger all else success), but the silence has been > absolutely deafening since i pointed that out. > > i haven't even managed to get to point out the benefits to the > mozilla foundation core team yet of using hulahop as a test ground > because i can only surmise - purely from the silence - that they're > just pissed at having been told "you're ignorant of how the software > is being used". > > the thing is... if somebody told _me_ that, i'd say "wow, cool! > something new for me to learn! tell me more! i'm really excited to > hear that you're using the software in ways that i didn't envisage it > could be used for. how can i support you and make that easier in any > way?" > > you see the difference? and you know - i know some of you don't like > the way that i stick to software freedom principles (but tough...) but > you certainly can't say that i don't give people every opportunity to > learn for themselves, nor that i don't encourage and support people > (as long as they don't take the piss). > > l. >
Problem is, they say "I don't want to do X, because Y and Z"; you point out, "but Y and Z aren't true"; and they just reply, "Didn't you hear me? I don't want to do X." Unless you can find some way to break out of that dynamic, further arguing (or explaining how you would respond if you were them) isn't going to help. I think that you need an ally whom they see as an insider. Or at least, that's the best idea I can come up with. Jameson
