Hmm....

actually, If you read my post you would see that I am against using
kill -9. This was brought up in a thread a while back and I have taken
the advice, what made you think that I meant otherwise? I called it
"taboo"

If you had no problems using reload, fine consider yourself lucky, I
have had the same problem on 2 different Debian VPS servers, the
processes stack up to 5 or 6 instances and the CANNOT be killed
normally, I posted about this a while back, and no a single person had
an answer to this.

Starting the server normally without reload allows normal kills on.

P.S Voltron has a real name, but you could call also call him Raideen
though, Optimus would be pushing it :-))



On May 31, 9:34 pm, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:00:38PM -0700, Mike Orr wrote:
> > On 5/31/07, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > You may argue whether "kill -9" is a good idea or not. Try killing
> > > processes that hog system resources and see if you get further access to
> > > the resources. Your system will become unstable.
>
> > Which resources are you talking about?
>
> Processes that access interfaces, removable drives, network interface
> cards. Not sure about network ressources that Pylons/Paste uses.
> Although if you are not lucky and kill such processes hard you may end
> up having these resources be blocked until reboot. Speaking of practice
> when some brutal coworkers were on a killing spree again. I have
> witnessed that in Solaris and Linux multiple times already.
>
> > The OS will close files and free memory if a process is murdered.
>
> If it's just files and memory then there will be no problem. And I agree
> that in most cases it's no problem.
>
> > Some device drivers may get in a snit if they're abandoned, but few
> > Pylons programs access esoteric devices.
>
> True. That's why I wanted to put my statement about the evilness of -9
> into perspective. Still I don't want other readers get the impression
> that "kill -9" is a universal problem solver. And that Debian should be
> guilty of suffering from a rare "processes get stuck" disability sounded
> very strange to me, too.
>
> Now I'll quit yabbing and you are all free to shoot your feet. ;)
>
>  Christoph
>
> P.S.: Does voltron actually have a real name?


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