On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The method I've been using is documented here: > > > http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#administrator-installation > > I'd like to add, that except for this one problem I've encountered, it's > worked quite well for a few years now. I see virtualenv as solving a > problem that was already solved by setuptools itself quite some time > ago.
This is going to be another of those "dumb users" issues we clashed about before. Users are put off by having to read some large and semi-obscure manual that isn't even part of the official Python documentation in order to install packages. What other programming language does this? To top it off, they have to choose from three configuration methods, and some of them involve root changes in the Python distribution. And we have to put that at the *beginning* of the Pylons documentation, before they've even installed Pylons! That really makes Python look like a half-baked programming language. Virtualenv, although it's not part of the stdlib, is straightforward and self-contained. You don't have to modify the system Python library to use it, so I don't see why you consider it incompatible with your old environment. But in any case, it installs setuptools in a much more straightforward way than the three strategies on the Peak page. And we can trick newbies into thinking it's just an enhancement for sandboxing, rather than telling them it's also to cover up the defects in Python that setuptools doesn't come out of the box and you'd otherwise have to go to some obscure webpage and do some voodoo to make your system usable. (And yes, auto-download comes under the category of "usable" in this day and age.) One problem with virtualenv (besides its documentation) is that it's not always updated right away when the Setuptools version changes. Sometimes I've had to install a package that required a later version of Setuptools than the one in the virtualenv tarball. Ian will have to keep up to date with that until some better tools come along. -- Mike Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
