Does anyone have the roughest ball-park estimation on when pyramid
will be going beta?

Thanks.

Jerry

On Nov 15, 7:19 am, Ben Bangert <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 2010, at 1:54 PM, BrianTheLion wrote:
>
> > I've been away for a while and am trying to come up to speed on some
> > pretty significant developments in the pylons community. I've spent
> > considerable time with the pyramid docs in the last week but have
> > failed to find an answer to one very important question: If your goal
> > (like mine) is to build web apps, what reasons do you have to switch
> > to pyramid?
>
> If you don't need the extensibility, if you're building a single app for the 
> whole company. You probably don't have much reason to change at all. The fact 
> that you haven't seen some pyramid add-on you're dying to use already sort of 
> answers that.
>
> > Let me engage in a bit of flame-fanning here just to make a point. As
> > of right now, pyramid and pylons (v1.0) are, effectively, competing
> > technologies. They are competing for the mindshare amongst Python web
> > application developers. When our BDFLs tell us that pyramid is an
> > improvement over pylons, I believe them but I don't particularly care.
> > As an app-dev, I am pretty much agnostic to things like pylon's
> > extensibility model (http://docs.pylonshq.com/faq/
> > pylonsproject.html#why-not-just-continue-developing-the-pylons-1-0-
> > code-base). What I care about is how quickly and easily I can get my
> > app up and running, how easy it will be to support and maintain.
> > Bottom line, I think the BDFLs have punted on making a pro-pyramid
> > technical argument to their app-devs, maybe because there isn't one to
> > be made.
>
> We aren't preaching the gospel on Pyramid right now because it's still alpha. 
> As I mentioned on my blog, I'll be writing posts about things Pyramid 
> addresses in the future, until then, I'm sorry, but you'll have to wait like 
> everyone else. I only have so much time in the day, I have to budget my time 
> very carefully.
>
> > Flame-fanning finished. And I was lying about not caring. *I BELIEVE*
> > and I want to see pyramid go forward. But in the end app-devs are the
> > least of pyramid's worries; we're always looking for excuses to learn
> > new things. Middle managers are much more difficult to convince.
> > Hence, I'm calling for some management-friendly pro-pyramid
> > propaganda:https://github.com/Pylons/pylonshq/issues/issue/2. If
> > you're an app-dev trying to figure out how you're going to convince
> > your manager to let you learn pyramid, bump it up!
>
> When we're ready for management types to move entire development shops to 
> Pyramid, we'll have that documentation. Right now, the focus isn't on that, 
> its on getting things done so that such a case will be trivial to make in the 
> future.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben

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