On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 22:40 -0500, Michael Bayer wrote:
> On Nov 14, 2011, at 10:14 PM, Chris McDonough wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 20:30 +0100, Vlad K. wrote:
> >> For worse I'd say because using SQLAlchemy directly works just fine and 
> >> as expected, without the need to reload the data after failed session.
> > 
> > By the way, are you sure about this?  I've heard that when you commit or
> > abort a "raw" SQLA session, the outcome is the same.  Objects loaded
> > from a finished SQLA session become invalidated without the
> > "expire_on_commit=False" (not the default) argument to the sessionmaker.
> > Am I wrong about that?
> 
> 
> The SQLA session invalidates everything after a commit or a rollback.   If 
> expire_on_commit=False, then you're OK after the commit, but still if the 
> rollback happens, everything is expired.    There's a way to turn that off 
> too but then you're really in the "you're doing it wrong" area.
> 
> Overall, the use case here I thought was to use begin_nested(), i.e. 
> SAVEPOINT.    Nothing gets expired when you commit on a SAVEPOINT since 
> you're still within the original transaction.

OK.  So I think if we can understand (and fix, if necessary) the
savepoint issue, Vlad will be able to do everything he could do without
zope.sqla in a very similar way then.

- C


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