Hi Daniel. As for kickstarter - it requires you to be american to start with :-P
As for numpy etc. - I can assure you we're working on the support for those libraries as fast as possible, at the same time looking for funding through commercial sources. As for the website modernization - yes, this has to be done at some point soon (and I started doing steps in that direction), but *that* sort of things are really difficult to fund :-) Cheers, fijal On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Kotrfa <kot...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for answer Maciej! > > I'm glad that this is in progress. It isn't possible to make some image > about the situation from what I have found on the web. You response > clarifies that a bit. I understand how difficult it can be. > > But I disagree with you regarding kickstarter. Pypy is connected to user > experience. E.g. I am working as datascientists and pypy is running about 3 > times faster on the code I am able to use it on (which is, unfortunately, > minority - most of it is of course in those 4 libraries which shines red on > the library support wall - numpy, scipy, pandas, scikit-learn). Similar with > (py)Spark. I would say there are more data scientists using Python than > those who likes to use "MicroPython on the ESP8266". The gain this field can > get from Pypy is quite substantial, even with that conservative estimate > about 3 times as fast compared to cPython. And that is just one example. > > Of course, I cannot ensure that you might get reasonably funded on > kickstarter-like sites. But, what can you lose by making a campaign? It > would be definitely much more visible than on your website, which, to be > honest, could be a bit modernized as well. And even if it wouldn't be a > success, you still get PR basically for free. > > I, unfortunately, don't have any insights or recommendation, it just > scratched my mind. > > Thanks for your awesome work, > Daniel > > čt 19. 5. 2016 v 18:12 odesílatel Maciej Fijalkowski <fij...@gmail.com> > napsal: >> >> Hi Daniel. >> >> We've done all of the proposed scenarios. We had some success talking >> to companies, but there is a lot of resistance for various reasons >> (and the successful proposals I can't talk about), including the >> inability to pay open source from the engineering budget and instead >> doing it via the marketing budget (which is orders of magnitude >> slower). In short - you need to offer them something in exchange, >> which usually means you need to do a good job, but not good enough (so >> you can fix it for money). This is a very perverse incentive, btu this >> is how it goes. >> >> As for kickstarter - that targets primarily end-user experience and >> not infrastructure. As such, it's hard to find money from users for >> infrastructure, because it has relatively few direct users - mostly >> large companies. >> >> As for who is working on this subject - I am. Feel free to get in >> touch with me via other channels (private mail, gchat, IRC) if you >> have deeper insights >> >> Best regards, >> Maciej Fijalkowski >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Armin Rigo <ar...@tunes.org> wrote: >> > On 19 May 2016 at 14:58, <pypy-dev-ow...@python.org> wrote: >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> >> From: Daniel Hnyk <hny...@gmail.com> >> >> To: pypy-dev@python.org >> >> Cc: >> >> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 12:58:36 +0000 >> >> Subject: Question about funding, again >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> my question is simple. It strikes me why you don't have more financial >> >> support, since PyPy might save quite a lot of resources compared to >> >> CPython. >> >> When we witness that e.g. microsoft is able to donate $100k to Jupyter >> >> (https://ipython.org/microsoft-donation-2013.html), why PyPy, being even >> >> more generic then Jupyter, has problem to raise few tenths of thousands. >> >> >> >> I can find few mentions about this on the internet, but no serious >> >> article or summary is out there. >> >> >> >> Have you tried any of the following? >> >> >> >> 1. Trying to get some funding from big companies and organizations such >> >> as Google, Microsoft, RedHat or some other like Free Software Foundation? >> >> If >> >> not, why not? >> >> 2. Crowd founding websites such as Kickstarter or Indiegogo get quite a >> >> big attention nowadays even for similar projects. There were successful >> >> campaigns for projects with even smaller target group, such as designers >> >> (https://krita.org/) or video editors (openshot 2). Why haven't you >> >> created >> >> a campaign there? Micropython, again, with much smaller target group of >> >> users had got funded as well. >> >> >> >> Is someone working on this subject? Or is there a general lack of man >> >> power in PyPy's team? Couldn't be someone hired from money already >> >> collected? >> >> >> >> Thanks for an answer, >> >> Daniel >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pypy-dev mailing list >> > pypy-dev@python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pypy-dev _______________________________________________ pypy-dev mailing list pypy-dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pypy-dev
