On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 17:11 Carol Willing, <willi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 03:44 Victor Stinner <vstin...@redhat.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> 2018-07-12 19:12 GMT+02:00 Mariatta Wijaya <mariatta.wij...@gmail.com>: >> >> >> * Diversity. Last years, the BDFL was a strong player to enhance the >> diversity of core developers and contributors by mentoring directly >> Mariatta Wijaya, and suggesting regularly to mentor more people from >> minorities whenever possible. He also likes to wear PyLadies t-shirt >> and support DjangoGirls ;-) >> > > I lump this into the community and PR bucket as I don't know if we need to > be worrying about appointing a head of diversity right now as that doesn't > tie into governance. If, once this is all over, we want to take our > diversity efforts to another level then a diversity SIG could be formed, > but I don't see this as a BDFL thing and more of a team thing that someone > choose to spearhead. > > > Brett, > > I'm wondering if prematurely placing this in the community and PR bucket > gives mentoring and inclusion among the core developer enviroment enough > strategic importance. Knowing how gracious you are, I suspect that you > personally are viewing it as such. Yet, I'm not sure that by removing this > as a role that Guido has played is best for the language or the developer > community. > > If I look at the many important roles that Guido has played, I personally > believe that he has been someone who encouraged many women (and I'm sure > others as well) and most importantly provided a safe place to share ideas. > If we reflect on Mariatta's PyCon talk and Summit talk, it's clear that we > should not overlook this role as growth and improvements still need to > happen here. > > I believe that improving the overall communication and professionalism on > mailing lists and PEPs is important to continuously improve the culture and > discourse. While this may help improve inclusion (and is a step in the > right direction), I would encourage everyone to reflect on Mariatta's talks > and consider whether improvement will happen if members of > GUIDO/elders/triumvirate/kittens of entropy and anarchy/pick your > governance/etc. don't believe, embrace, and make this a priority in > stewarding the future of the Python language. > > tldr; We don't need a head of diversity. What we need is leadership that > embraces inclusion and will steward the vision for improvements. > Yes, and I'm assuming no one would end up on any council who doesn't hold these views. My poorly made point is I don't know if we want to lump all of this together such that this council is expected to lead all of these points explicitly. IOW if I were to make a PSF comparison this is like the council being the board and they would be expected to support a diversity SIG/WG. -Brett > Thanks, > Carol > >
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