Nicolas Lehuen wrote ..
> 2006/2/2, Graham Dumpleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Note that up until now I hadn't even looked over how this new module
> > importer was implemented. I knew it wasn't going to solve various of
> the
> > existing module importer problems and I knew it was actually going to
> > introduce some new issues that would have to be worked around, but now
> > that I have started to document these new issues for inclusion in my
> > module importer issues list and when I see other possible problems like
> > the above, I am really starting to wander if it is really a good idea
> > letting this interim solution to module importing problems be released.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Graham
> 
> You know, Graham, I'm very frustrated about this because we decided
> not to go any further on the module importer issue until we reach 3.3.
> Hence, I have stopped any development on this level and kept the code
> as is (i.e. in a working state), hoping that the 3.2 release would
> come soon and that we would be able to move on quickly.
> 
> More than six months later we're still at the same point and now
> you're beginning to ask questions about the interim solution.

Actually, I raised the issues before a couple of times, so in my email
I should really have said "I am really starting to wander AGAIN if it is
really a good idea". One of the previous emails on this can be seen:

  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.mod-python.devel/1269

Back then I felt I had no real power to influence anything, or at
least I was not part of any final decision making process. Bar your
concession of dropping get_page(), there was no other comment
by anyone else so to me it seemed there was no point me pursuing
it further even though I still had the reservations I mentioned in the
email at the time.

> Anyway, I'd like to point out that I've been using this publisher in
> various professional projects for months now without having any
> problems. It's not like we are releasing something flaky.

Which is why I hadn't bothered to look at the module importer part
of it. I trusted you and that the code you added would work okay.
Anyway, we are letting my comments get blow out of proportion
now given that I have already acknowledged that my premise for
my revived misgivings was bogus because I simply didn't read the
code correctly.

> The only
> problem is that apache.import_module is still as crappy as ever and
> that we don't have any grand unified theory of module importing that
> would support both handlers and published modules.

Actually I do believe I have a grand unified theory and I have working
code for it was well. I simply gave up pushing it some time back because
the initial discussions I started about it on the mailing list
degenerated into a multitude of threads with everyone giving their own
viewpoints, with many not really understanding what I was proposing and
others not understanding why it had to be changed anyway. Thus I gave
up and reverted to just documenting the issues I find on my web site.
In time I will also add documentation for how my proposed changes and
code actually address or don't address the issues I have documented.
Until that is done, making any code available isn't going to help.

Graham

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