We should take the discussion about how and where PEP discussions should be hosted off this thread and list.
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 23 May 2018 at 05:47, Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Steve Dower <steve.do...@python.org> >> wrote: >> >>> On 22May2018 0741, Guido van Rossum wrote: >>> >>>> ISTR there are plenty of PEPs that never get posted to python-ideas >>>> because they are discussed on a separate list. >>>> >>> >>> There are often better venues for the initial discussion (such as >>> security-sig, distutils-sig or datetime-sig), but I think that's orthogonal >>> from posting the full text of a PEP. >>> >> >> I don't think that the original rationale for posting the full text of a >> PEP to a mailing list still applies. The raw text is on GitHub in the >> python/peps repo, and the formatted text is on python.org. We're not >> some kind of bureaucratic org that pretends to still live in the world of >> paper and pencil. >> > > The raw text being on Github rather than hg.python.org makes the > rationale for archiving full copies on mail.python.org stronger, not > weaker. > > That said, if the aim is to keep discussion in another place (such as >>> github), you really don't want copies floating around any other mailing >>> lists. Eventually I'd hope it comes through for final review though, as I'm >>> sure a number of us are unlikely to click through to github unless we have >>> a specific interest in the topic. >> >> >> >> IMO if you can't be bothered to click through on GitHub you forfeit your >> right to comment. (Which isn't a right anyway, it's a privilege.) >> > > I would never consider it an acceptable process restriction to require > people to sign up for an account with a proprietary American software > company in order to comment on the future of the Python programming > language. > > If folks get more feedback than they have the ability to process in a > short amount of time, then "Deferred" is a perfectly reasonable state to > put a PEP into until they *do* have time to go through and account for the > feedback - it isn't like it's a major disaster if we put an idea back on > the shelf for a couple of months (or years!), let folks mull it over for a > while, and then reconsider it later with fresh eyes. > > Cheers, > Nick. > > -- > Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia > -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
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