On 14/02/2019 15:24, Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:


On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 4:03 PM Tim Golden <m...@timgolden.me.uk <mailto:m...@timgolden.me.uk>> wrote:

    On 14/02/2019 14:56, Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:
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     > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:25 PM Eric Snow
    <ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com <mailto:ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com>
     > <mailto:ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com
    <mailto:ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
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     >     On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 02:47 Ronald Oussoren via Python-Dev
     >     <python-dev@python.org <mailto:python-dev@python.org>
    <mailto:python-dev@python.org <mailto:python-dev@python.org>> wrote:
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     >         I usually use shutil.rmtree for tests that need to create
     >         temporary files, and create a temporary directory for those
     >         files (that is, use tempfile.mkdtemp in setUp() and use
     >         shutil.rmtree in tearDown()). That way I don’t have to adjust
     >         house-keeping code when I make changes to test code.
     >
     >
     >     Same here.
     >
     >     -eric
     >
     >
     > What I generally do is avoid relying on tempfile.mkdtemp() and
    always
     > use TESTFN instead. I think it's cleaner as a pradigm because
    it's an
> incentive to not pollute the single unit tests with `self.addCleanup()`
     > instructions (the whole cleanup logic is always supposed to occur in
     > setUp/tearDown):

    Must chime in here because I've been pushing (variously months & years
    ago) to move *away* from TESTFN because it generates numerous
    intermittent errors on my Windows setup. I've had several goes at
    starting to do that but a combination of my own lack of time plus some
    people's reluctance to go that route altogether has stalled the thing.

    I'm not sure I understand the difference in cleanup/teardown terms
    between using tempfile and using TESTFN. The objections I've seen from
    people (apart, obviously, from test churn) are to do with building up
    testing temp artefacts on a possibly low-sized disk.

    TJG


I suppose you mean the intermittent failures are usually due to "file is already in use by another process" correct? test.support's unlink(),

Occasionally (and those are usually down to a poorly-handled cleanup).

More commonly it's due to residual share-delete handles on those files, probably from indexing & virus checkers or TortoiseXXX cache handlers. Obviously I can (and to some extent do) try to mitigate those issues.

In short: reusing the same filepath over and over for tests which are run in quick succession doesn't seem like a good idea usually. That's commonly what TESTFN-based tests do (some do; some don't).

I'm 100% with you on strict clean-up, not leaving testing turds behind, not over-complicating simple tests with lost of framework. All that. But -- however it's done -- I'd prefer to move away from the test-global TESTFN approach.

I'm not at my dev box atm so can't pick out examples but I definitely have some :) I have no issue with your proposal here: better and simpler cleanup is A Good Thing. But it won't solve the problem of re-using the same test filepath again and again.

TJG
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