On 10/14/2019 9:26 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote:
On 10/14/2019 1:23 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
On behalf of the Python development community and the Python 3.8 release team, 
I’m pleased to announce the availability of Python 3.8.0.
I look forward to using Python 3.8.0.

However, having installed it, I then needed to install brotli, so I ran pip install brotli, and that worked, but I was very surprised to get told:

You are using pip version 18.1, however version 19.3 is available.
You should consider upgrading via the 'python -m pip install --upgrade pip' command.

The upgrade worked, but why would the newest, just-released version of Python not include the newest version of pip?

Glenn

Hmm. "worked" above only means "completed without reporting errors".

Excuse the noise, I accidentally ran Python3.6\Scripts\pip.exe.  But now running the one from Python3.8 the error message from pip references pip version 19.2.3 as the "old version", so it is still true that Python 3.8 doesn't seem to include the latest pip. But with the numbers being closer, I suppose that means that pip had a release after the Python 3.8 code freeze.

And sadly, I'm too fast at trying to install brotli for 3.8: it apparently doesn't have a wheel yet, so tried to compile from source, and couldn't find a C compiler on my machine.
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