On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 08:54, Victor Stinner <vstin...@python.org> wrote:
>
> The change is that Python 2.7 is no longer supported (since 2020-01-01).

However the assertion here seems to be that some people are unprepared
for this (which seems to me like it's their problem, not ours).
Features getting deprecated in newer Python versions is routine.
Anyone maintaining Python 2.7 compatibility should already be
painfully aware that we're deprecating things in 3.x and they have to
maintain compatibity code for that. We've been minimising the impact
for such people as much as we can for years. When *should* we stop
doing so, if not at the point where we finally declared 2.7
unsupported?

Having said that, the 5 specific changes noted seem relatively minor
and deferring them an extra release doesn't seem like a massive deal.
My objection is only if we try to extrapolate a general principle from
those specific examples.

Paul

P.S.

> I'm not sure of the meaning of "buried" here. What do you mean? We propose to 
> revert 5 changes:
[...]
> It's not only about specific changes, but more a discussion about a general 
> policy to decide if a deprecated feature should stay until 3.10, or if it's 
> ok to remove it in 3.9.

I agree with Brett, it was hard to understand your message. And I
think the problem was that you tried to discuss both the *specific*
proposal to delay 5 deprecations, and the *general* principle of when
we stop preserving 2.7 compatibility layers. These two are very
different questions and (as I say above) don't necessarily have the
same answer.

I think you should have posted *two* messages. The first very focused
on the 5 deprecations, and the second, following on, saying something
along the lines of "the previous message raises a broader question of
how long we should carry 2.7 compatibility code before removing it -
what do people think?". That would separate the general from the
specific, while not flooding the list with separate threads for each
deprecation (which I assume wasn't a serious suggestion on your part).
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