On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:23 AM Charalampos Stratakis <cstra...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Antoine Pitrou" <anto...@python.org> > > To: python-dev@python.org > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:02:51 PM > > Subject: [Python-Dev] Re: [python-committers] Resignation from Stefan > Krah > > > > > > Le 09/10/2020 à 15:57, Christian Heimes a écrit : > > > On 09/10/2020 15.48, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 05:04:55 +0300 > > >> Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev <python-dev@python.org> wrote: > > >>> I don't see the point of requiring to "write an apology", especially > > >>> *before a 12-month ban*. If they understand that their behavior is > > >>> wrong, there's no need for a ban, at least not such a long one; if > they > > >>> don't, they clearly aren't going to write it, at least not now (they > > >>> might later, after a few weeks or months, having cooled down and > thought > > >>> it over). So all it would achieve is public shaming AFAICS. Same > > >>> issue with the threat of "zero tolerance policy" -- it's completely > > >>> unnecessary and only serves to humiliate and alienate the recipient. > > >> > > >> That's my impression as well. Also, we now have an unmaintained > module > > >> (_decimal) requiring specific competence. > > > > > > Please elaborate. I feel like you are insinuating something with your > > > "unmaintained module" remark. > > > > Well, it's not hard to notice that Stefan was the maintainer (as well as > > the primary or sole author) of the C _decimal module, right? > > I think that is irrelevant to the decision of the steering council though. > We did thank Stefan in the email for his technical contributions, but being the primary contributor to a module in the stdlib should not give you leeway to be mean to others compared to anyone else (nor should any technical contributions for that matter). So I agree with Charalampos that it's irrelevant. > > > > I wouldn't say for sure, but I don't expect him to transmit patches > > through a third party, now that the SC banned him for 12 months, and > > that he publicly resigned (signalling that he has probably no intention > > to try to come back). > > > > Do you think otherwise? Or do you think there's someone else ready to > > take up maintenance? Are you volunteering for that? > > Does it really matter that much in regards to the specific context? If > someone poses problematic behavior (as it seems, as I'm not familiar with > any specifics here), maintenance of a module should be the last of the > worries. There are many pieces in the stdlib which remain or have remained > unmaintained for years. Maybe someone could pick up the pace, maybe not. > Another way to look at this is to realize that Stefan's behaviour may have scared off people who would have been willing to contribute to the decimal module. As Christian pointed out, there is already one instance of a contributor who he felt needed to be followed up with to make sure they were okay. As much as we know they could have become a major contributor to 'decimal' and this specific concern wouldn't even exist. -Brett > > > > > Regards > > > > Antoine. > > _______________________________________________ > > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > > Message archived at > > > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/5WX63I23WZ4ZBJALWDA3VBSGV3J5KLM5/ > > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > > > -- > Regards, > > Charalampos Stratakis > Software Engineer > Python Maintenance Team, Red Hat > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/6QCFOVUS5PIPXWWHNXPWB26EPM26UHAR/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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