Hello,

Le 21/09/2022 à 13:14, Petr Viktorin a écrit :
> On 21. 09. 22 10:17, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
>>
>> * mailing-list mode: there needs to be a *standardized* set of filters
>> to access Core-Dev + PEPs (and only that).
>> [...]

> Do you have a proposal we could standardize?
> Open a PR on the devguide. You shouldn't need an official hat-wearer
> around, unless there's a disagreement.

I believe indeed that the devguide should provide complete guidance
towards getting a python-dev equivalent using mailing-list mode, to
avoid many users having to reinvent the wheel. I don't have enough
experience to give such advice myself (yet).

> But I don't think the goal is to make sure all people using the mailing
> list get the same set of posts. Different people have different interests.

That's exaggerated: often many people share common interests, and thus
want to follow a common set of discussions. This is what makes up a
discussion forum. Python-dev has served well its hundreds (or is it
thousands) of users over all those years, so its perimeter must be
sensible enough.

> Only mirroring/archiving Core-Dev + PEPs also seems pretty arbitrary.

According to the devguide, "these are the Discourse equivalents to the
python-dev mailing list". I believe many people want just that. This is
also the perimeter that makes most sense for long term external
archival, as it is likely to contain all major design discussions.

>> * RSS: the shortcomings I described in my august post [2] are still
>> there. At the very least, the PSF needs to make sure that the age /
>> length limits of the RSS files (both core-dev.rss and posts.rss) are
>> *much* increased.

> I'm not sure what the PSF can do here -- this sounds like it should be a
> feature request to Discourse.

Discourse could indeed make their RSS interface much friendlier. Alas,
as I say in my previous message, a very useful feature request
(per-category post feeds) has been lingering for 6 years. So I won't
hold my breath.

In the meantime, I suppose Discourse must have some instance
configuration knobs, and it would make sense that the length of the RSS
files can be changed there (being a very arbitrary limit). The PSF could
then choose a more appropriate length just for their own instance (the
current 25-post limit represents less than 24 hours; a few days instead
would be nice).

> I guess the mailing list mode is a better option if you don't want to
> miss anything. Is it lacking something that RSS provides, besides easier
> filtering?

There is room between not missing anything and having less than 24 hours
of history available.

Since you asked (but not a major point): RSS is accessible without
registering an account.

Cheers,
Baptiste

>> [2]
>> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/UZJ27G57F7QJJ2LYBDGZQ5BIXLH7OXWJ/
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