On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 12:41 AM Baptiste Carvello < devel2...@baptiste-carvello.net> wrote:
> Hello, > > Le 21/09/2022 à 13:14, Petr Viktorin a écrit : > > On 21. 09. 22 10:17, Baptiste Carvello wrote: > >> > >> * mailing-list mode: there needs to be a *standardized* set of filters > >> to access Core-Dev + PEPs (and only that). > >> [...] > > > Do you have a proposal we could standardize? > > Open a PR on the devguide. You shouldn't need an official hat-wearer > > around, unless there's a disagreement. > > I believe indeed that the devguide should provide complete guidance > towards getting a python-dev equivalent using mailing-list mode, to > avoid many users having to reinvent the wheel. I don't have enough > experience to give such advice myself (yet). > > > But I don't think the goal is to make sure all people using the mailing > > list get the same set of posts. Different people have different > interests. > > That's exaggerated: often many people share common interests, and thus > want to follow a common set of discussions. ... which is expected to take place on Discourse. A key point here is we are trying to consolidate after having this split approach for a few years that people found annoying. We also acknowledge we can't stop people from talking wherever they want on the internet. > This is what makes up a > discussion forum. Python-dev has served well its hundreds (or is it > thousands) of users over all those years, so its perimeter must be > sensible enough. > But the mailing list has also not served others well either (and people have explicitly told us the mailing list didn't serve them, so this isn't a hypothesis), so I don't think it "must be sensible enough" that what python-dev does is always best/right/sensible. There is no perfect solution, hence why we had this lengthy discussion to begin with. > > > Only mirroring/archiving Core-Dev + PEPs also seems pretty arbitrary. > > According to the devguide, "these are the Discourse equivalents to the > python-dev mailing list". I believe many people want just that. This is > also the perimeter that makes most sense for long term external > archival, as it is likely to contain all major design discussions. > > >> * RSS: the shortcomings I described in my august post [2] are still > >> there. At the very least, the PSF needs to make sure that the age / > >> length limits of the RSS files (both core-dev.rss and posts.rss) are > >> *much* increased. > > > I'm not sure what the PSF can do here -- this sounds like it should be a > > feature request to Discourse. > > Discourse could indeed make their RSS interface much friendlier. Alas, > as I say in my previous message, a very useful feature request > (per-category post feeds) has been lingering for 6 years. So I won't > hold my breath. > > In the meantime, I suppose Discourse must have some instance > configuration knobs, and it would make sense that the length of the RSS > files can be changed there (being a very arbitrary limit). The PSF could > then choose a more appropriate length just for their own instance (the > current 25-post limit represents less than 24 hours; a few days instead > would be nice). > If you can find the setting then we can look at tweaking it, but a quick glance at the admin interface didn't turn up anything obvious. -Brett > > > I guess the mailing list mode is a better option if you don't want to > > miss anything. Is it lacking something that RSS provides, besides easier > > filtering? > > There is room between not missing anything and having less than 24 hours > of history available. > > Since you asked (but not a major point): RSS is accessible without > registering an account. > > Cheers, > Baptiste > > >> [2] > >> > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/UZJ27G57F7QJJ2LYBDGZQ5BIXLH7OXWJ/ > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/MBARP67IL4X3LUWQGEELTMFPJCLUXBTI/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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