On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <step...@xemacs.org> wrote:
> Antoine Pitrou writes:
> But we have a PR problem *now*.  The loyal opposition clearly intend
> to continue trash-talking Python 3 until the libraries get to 100% (or
> a government-approved approximation of 100%).  The topic on #python
> seems unlikely to change at this point, with both Glyph and JP
> pointedly failing to denounce it publicly, while Stephen defends it
> and says it's not going to change as long as the libraries aren't
> done.

Huh? We just changed the topic on #python because people complained
about it. We didn't do it earlier because we didn't know it was a
problem. Defending it doesn't mean it's set in stone :-)

I don't wanna come across like a jerk but could we please not use
loaded terms like "loyal opposition" and "trash-talking"? I don't
really think that's what people do or are (or at least want to
be/intend to do). I've really honestly tried my best to fix this
situation (see the other thread) and the people whom I've gotten input
from (both here and in the IRC channels) have been nothing but
helpful.

> What do you suggest?  Or do you think there's no PR problem we should
> worry about, just accept that this going to be a further drag on
> adoption and improvement, and keep on keeping on?

I very much like Martin and Antoine's ideas of putting the thing up on
python.org, that might also solve people's problems with the apparent
dissonance between #python and python-dev/the PSF that neither side
really wants. To the contrary, I think everyone wants this situation
to improve, including Guido, apparently. Myself included, I think
everyone stands to gain here.


thanks for listening
Laurens
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